Why Create If Possible Evil – Metrics of To-Create – Metrics of To-Not-Create – Revised

A quote which expresses a key error:  “….since God knows what each of them would do in every possible situation, he gets to decide, so to speak, what the upshot will be – which world will be actual….”

We’ll get to the errors in that and why it is not accurate a few paragraphs down but first the general ((…and fallacious…)) Frame/Syllogism off of which that error springboards:

A— If P were in S1, P would do A.
B— If P were in S2, P would not do A.
1— If Adam were in S1, he would obey God.
2— If Adam were in S2, he would not obey God

But First — The Wider Framework:

By which metrics will we Ask/Answer the question of Why Create If Evil Is Possible? By love’s metrics? Well yes – of course. But then how does the Critic rationally damn love’s begetting of love EITHER within The Trinitarian Life (…God Not-Creating….) OR within the Divine Decree of the Imago Dei (…God Creating…)?

Is it Good of us and is it Logical of us and does it sum to our factual Valuing-Of-Love on our part if we fault God for begetting love vis-à-vis the Trinitarian Life wherein we discover Timeless Reciprocity vis-à-vis Ceaseless Self-Giving with respect to Being in totum? How is it that one can rationally claim (there) that “God Is Un-Loving? Just the same if we turn it 180 degrees: Is it Good of us and is it Logical of us and does it sum to our factual Valuing-Of-Love on our part if we fault God for begetting love in the Creative Act vis-à-vis the Decree of the Imago Dei?

Before looking into the Metrics of Pre-Eden & Eden & Privation & Perfection, it is helpful to clear up a few fairly common misunderstandings:

MISUNDERSTANDING 1 — The Fallacy Of The-Greater-Good Theodicy

There is NO such thing as The Greater-Good “thing” for anyone to appeal to. See the following three items:

1— [Gratuitous Evil] Is A Metaphysical Impossibility which is at http://disq.us/p/1vc9vwd and also linked with https://randalrauser.com/2018/08/can-violence-ever-serve-a-redemptive-purpose/#comment-4071850429

Begin Excerpt:

Evil and the Goodness of God:

[1] The Greater Good reality (with respect to [All Things]) is true and is a valid statement about [All Things].

[2] Scripture affirms possible but not necessary evil given God’s decree of the Imago Deiwith respect to the Adamic’s volitional authority to choose possible *worlds*, much less acts. See both [5] and [7].

[3] Minus God: [All Things] whether good or evil or any amalgamation thereof which stream out of The Adamic in number [2] *are* fundamentally and ontologically gratuitous “at bottom“. Indeed, but for God and His Hand, “purpose” finds no grounding, and hence “Minus God” leaves all lines gratuitous.

[4] But God. Full stop. And God is the Necessary Being. Hence, this [4] *necessarily* subsumes [3] which *necessarily* subsumes [2] which *necessarily* subsumes [1].

[5] Creating and decreeing a coin is not decreeing or creating two separate faces, so to speak. It is creating *one* ontological reality with multiple sides. It is *one* creative act, *one* decree. Trinity is like that. Love is like that. God’s decree guarantees that, grounds that.

[6] In all directions, there can be no such thing, no such creation, no such decree, as a one sided coin. God cannot do nonsense. It is no insult to God to state that He cannot do nonsense.

[7] God cannot, ever, create and decree and by creating and decreeing lose control should He grant (any number of) possible worlds to volitional agents.

[8] God uses [All Things] for good and yet greater good and yet greater good. Glory to glory, as it were. He does not “only” use evil. But [All Things].

[9] *God* is our guarantee and our sure anchor in all these things, whether we speak of our own frail attempts at good, or whether we speak of horrific evil, or whether we cannot speak at all but can only pray for we know not what. All appeals start and stop in His Decree, and He has decreed and declared His love for us.

[10A] God is reality’s Anchor. Literally. And therefore our Anchor. Literally. God is our A and our Z. “You are my hope Lord, in you do I trust.”

[10B] As describe earlier, [All Things], not “only” evil things, are used by God, purposed by God, for The Good, the Greater Good, and so on. That reality grounds purpose throughout reality wherever the “Adamic’s” feet shall traverse. There is no number of possible worlds which God can grant the volitional being which can cause God to lose control. (It’s unfortunate that that last sentence even has to be stated).

[10C] That which exists by God’s Decree is that which cannot be otherwise. Hence, such cannot be charged with being gratuitous simply by sheer definition and sheer necessity, else we must call God’s Decree pointless. If God values, and decrees, the Imago Dei, well then we come upon what cannot be a one sided reality there in Eden amid Self/Other, Man/God, but rather we come upon that which is by necessity a two sided reality with respect to God and the Adamic, or the Adamic and God.

[11] Therein, again from earlier:

[A] God uses [All Things] for good and yet greater good and yet greater good. Glory to glory, as it were. He does not “only” use evil. But [All Things].

[B] *God* is our guarantee and our sure anchor in all these things, whether we speak of our own frail attempts at good, or whether we speak of horrific evil, or whether we cannot speak at all but can only pray for we know not what. All appeals start and stop in His Decree, and He has decreed and declared His love for us.

[C] God is reality’s Anchor. Literally. And therefore our Anchor. Literally. God is our A and our Z. “You are my hope Lord, in you do I trust.”

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MISUNDERSTANDING 2 — The Blueprint for the Imago Dei

There is only one Divine Decree of only one Singularity to appeal to, and that is the Decree of the Imago Dei. That Singularity forces what love necessarily entails and what love necessarily leaves out as impossible. The Why/How of that stems from the Blueprint for the Imago Dei which is as follows:

In the Divine Decree of the Imago Dei we come upon Timeless Reciprocity vis-à-vis Ceaseless Self-Giving vis-à-vis Being Itself vis-à-vis Self/Other vis-à-vis the Blueprint vis-à-vis the Trinitarian Life. In the Christian metanarrative we find the Trinitarian metaphysic and, therein, love’s timeless Self-Giving and irreducible Diffusiveness of the Ontic Self with respect to …being itself… and, thereby – once again – The Always and The Already, that which is ceaselessly Beneath and Above – namely “Love & Necessity” as an ontic *singularity*. It is there that we find in the Christian metaphysic the intellectual and moral grounds for affirming the term, “Love Himself” vis-à-vis the A and the Z of the Trinitarian Life / Trinity with respect to the Decree of the Imago Dei, and all that comes with “that”. That is to say, it is there that we find nothing less than the immutable love of the Necessary Being – and all that comes with “that”. That is to say, it is there in nothing less than Being that we find The Always and The Already constituting love’s timeless reciprocity and Self-Giving diffusiveness of the Ontic-Self in totum, and all that comes with “that”. It is *that* explanatory terminus which is reality’s rock-bottom, reality’s irreducible substratum – the A and the Z of every possible ontic, of every possible sentence.

The Misunderstanding of WHAT the Blueprint is for the Imago Dei and what that logically necessitates vs. makes logically impossible will be looked at in greater detail as that is perhaps one of the Key “problems” with respect to our approach to the question of Create?/Not-Create?

MISUNDERSTANDING 3 — Terminal Closure

We must ask if our Non-Theist friends or Critics are demanding eternal unending life and wholeness? Perhaps even void of Suffering? If so then they’ve only three options, none of which help them:

1— If they are NOT asking for such an End then they are stopping short of coherence for suffering must enter somewhere and finds only its own eternally open-ended contradiction – leaving their claims finally fallacious. Note that there is no cryptic mystery here as of course we all still “recognize” the Christian’s terms vis-à-vis the moral terms in play here.

2— If they ARE demanding such an end of suffering then again they are demanding what Non-Theism can never give them vis-à-vis the Final Good as per Eternal Life as per Unending Wholeness…. and so on.

3— [Death] is the #1 Killer in the World. Therefore [Eternal Life] and nothing less is the #1 dissolution of our #1 problem. In fact, BUT FOR [Eternal Life] there is no Ontic Resolution of the #1 killer in the World.

So again we ask, what does “Ending Evil” necessarily “look like”? The following “To Create / Not-Create” discussion is (…in part…) a brief observation of that as per a. http://disq.us/p/1xv6v4f and b.http://disq.us/p/1slxh6k and c. http://disq.us/p/1xr6yav

MISUNDERSTANDING 4 — Free Will Is Not The End-All Good Or The Goal Full Stop

 Just as we discussed the fallacious nature of The Greater Good theodicy ((when used in certain ways)) so too do we find a problem if and when the polemic of so many of our Non-Theist friends pretends that it is Free Will which is the End-All/Be-All in the Imago Dei. That is in fact wrong about the Greater Good. It is not Free Will “Full-Stop” which is “Necessary” but rather it is love’s topography and unfortunately for those Non-Christian Straw-men we find that there is Free Will v. the Adamic in HeavenAND YET it is still logically impossible for God to create the Imago Dei by creating the “Adamic” perfect (complete) in Heaven from the Get-Go.

WHY? Whence the necessity of Eden given the Decree of the Imago Dei? Whence the necessity of love’s Groom/Bride? Whence the necessity of love’s Proposal/Reply? Recall that we are dealing with The Trinitarian Life vis-à-vis that landscape of Self/Other vis-à-vis the Decree of the Imago Dei vis-à-vis all terms/definitions vis-à-vis the Christian Metaphysic. To “Cherry-Pick” is to get “The Greater Good” wrong even as it is to get “Eden” wrong even as it is to get “Privation” wrong – and so on.

Non-Christian versions of all such vectors comprise too much of the content of the polemics of our Non-Theist friends and that they employ such premises reveals that they clearly don’t recognize what is in play and cannot answer the question as to the necessity of all things ‘Edenic’.

However, the Christian Metaphysic just is the Metanarrative of that topography vis-à-vis the topography of the Immutable Trinitarian Life (God).

So Let’s Unpack All Of That — To Create vs. To Not-Create

There’s more further down but first a brief reminder of the question:

A — By which metrics will we Ask/Answer that question? By Love’s metrics? Well yes. Of course. But then how does one rationally damn love’s begetting of love either within The Trinitarian Life (…God Not-Creating….) or within the Divine Decree of the Imago Dei (…God Creating…)?

B — Is it Good and Logical and Valuing-Of-Love on our part if we fault God for begetting love vis-à-vis the Trinitarian Life wherein we discover Timeless Reciprocity vis-à-vis Ceaseless Self-Giving with respect to Being in totum? How is it that one can rationally claim (there) that “God Is Un-Loving?

C — Is it Good and Logical and Valuing-Of-Love on our part if we fault God for begetting love in the Creative Act vis-à-vis the Decree of the Imago Dei?

Again those questions are as per a. http://disq.us/p/1xv6v4f and b. http://disq.us/p/1slxh6k and c. http://disq.us/p/1xr6yav

To Create vs. To Not-Create? Any proposal of love that isn’t free amid “Self/Other” just isn’t a trinitarian love. The isolated Self or what we call Privation cannot not-exist, just as community in the Whole of Self/Other which we call love’s unicity cannot not-exist.

When love is proposed to all things Adamic, to the beloved, we come upon the logical necessity of all things Edenic – the logical necessity that the Edenic never was the Adamic’s Eternal Home combined with the logical necessity that there are only Two Options for all things Adamic within all things Edenic – those Two Doors within Eden facing Outward – one Door/Tree into Privation ((…that of the Isolated Self…)) and one Door/Tree into the Whole of Self/Other ((…Community/God-In-Man/Man-In-God/Eternal Life…)) – and all of that combined with the logical necessity that there is no “possible third option”.  Why no third “Possible World” ((so to speak))? Because any contingent being necessarily lacks wholeness “in and of itself“, so to speak. That Pure-I, or that Isolated Self, or that lack of Community amid Self/Other – or that lack of unicity vis-à-vis [Contingent-Being||Necessary-Being] or [Man||God] just is the Outside. Privation as necessary in the Trinitarian Life? In the Blueprint?

Well of course. As in the following.

In the Necessary Being the freedom of Privation, of “I AM”, not only cannot not-exist but also just is [God] – just is The Great I AM – just is The-Good – given the Christian’s uniquely Trinitarian Metaphysic ((…perhaps https://metachristianity.com/define-god/ …)). Notice that no other metaphysic solves this. None. Notice that it is logically impossible for any Contingent Being to find that same Result/Yield should that Choice of “I/Self” be made. In any contingent being the Yield/Fruit of that specific Shout or Move or Motion ((…that of “I/Self”…)) just is “Privation” as it relates to Need and Lack and Necessary-Insufficiency. Whereas that same Progression within the Trinitarian Life necessarily and irreducibly lands within that which just is [God] – just is The Great I AM – just is The-Good.

From there we can say that to demand Universalism as desirable is not irrational as God Himself desires that all be saved and in fact it is logically impossible for God to “Desire” a “logical impossibility” and we therein know that Universalism is ((at the very least)) necessarily possible. However, to coerce/force it is to create a world with an Ethic that is not an Ethic of Love. Why? Simply because of love’s necessary landscape. Why? Simply because Ultimate Reality, or God, as in the Trinitarian Life, just “is” love – just “is” Timeless Reciprocity and Ceaseless Self-Giving vis-à-vis Being in totum. To preach love one must preach the Metaphysical Singularity that is “Love and Necessity“.

A bit of the esoteric:

This is more readily available than we think. As in: In marriage is it “I”? Well yes. Is it “her”? Well yes. Is there yet a third, a singularity? Well yes, in the uncanny unicity with the beloved in nothing less than Us vis-à-vis Self/Other ((…theologians don’t panic…it’s not positing Modalism/Sabellianism, …)).

We have to be careful about our definitions because all of “that” of course is the metaphysical landscape of love’s Proposal. That of Groom//Bride-To-Be. That of all things Edenic. The metaphysical content and yield of that Landscape is necessarily going to be irreducibly different than the metaphysical content and yield of a Wedding. And in turn that Landscape of Wedding is necessarily going to be irreducibly different than the metaphysical content and yield of the landscape of a Birth. That Trio of Landscapes reveals that Conflating and/or Equating any one landscape in said trio for any other landscape in said trio is NOT going to give us the definitions specific to the uniquely Christian metaphysic.

Briefly – The Notion Of Privation Within The Trinitarian Life

Because of the peculiarity of the Imago Dei, the transcendentals there are unavoidable, or cannot be otherwise. So, then, if “that” is our “source” then the question of freely choosing between “YOU/THY” (on the one hand) and “ME/MY” (on the other hand) is the core question. We come here upon Divine Freedom vis-à-vis Processions vis-à-vis Pure Act.

In the Trinitarian Life of course we find both “Processions”, as it were, and the various ways that can be described are numerous. Also, the shout of *I*/I AM finds (in a sense) the affairs of “Privation” but, of course, that lands in/on nothing less than Being in totum, which is God. The Necessary Being *cannot* be *divided* into *parts* such as [Being Minus Something] and hence (in a sense) no “Evil” (Privation proper) can be found in Him. Yet, given Trinity, that fact *cannot* erase the fact of those Processions which we find ((…in that other senses described so far…)) the affairs of “Privation”.

In Absolute Consciousness we come upon the map of “Being Itself” which begins to take shape amid the trio of the Infinite Knower and the Infinitely Known and all Processions therein vis-à-vis Logos – but of course that is just the start. As we progress amid the logically compelled Divine Freedom plus the logically compelled Divine Simplicity we come upon the uncanny real estate of something akin to the following:

[A] is not [B]
[B] is not [C]
[C] is not [A]

And: Each is Being in totum – each is *GOD*.

“Choice” within the Trinitarian Life (…to create.. to not create…and so on…) is therein irreducible within Pure Act as the “metaphysical wellspring of all ontological possibility”. The nature of that milieu is both the source of and the hard stop of our definitions here. With God there’s this:

A— God can freely choose to create
B— God can freely choose to not create

Both A and B are in fact Fully Good. In fact but for the embrace of the triune landscape of the Christian God there is no such freedom found *anywhere* in *any* paradigm. It’s a bit uncanny. Descending in the Downhill Ontic – down into the contingent being with the peculiarities of “Imago Dei”, or the Adamic, the necessary transcendentals follow suit in that consciousness is coterminous with reason which is coterminous with love which is coterminous with being. We find, there, those irreducibly volitional and intentional processions amid self/other — or can do otherwise — or choice.

Why Not Heaven / Perfection Of Being From The Get-Go?

In short: It is logically impossible for Omnipotence to Create the Already-Freely-Married-Beloved. A handful of key assumptions are missed in the question here and the syntax of A. Groom and B. (Potential) Bride and C. (His) Proposal and D. (Her) Can-Do-Otherwise-Reply and E. (Their) Wedding and F. (Ontic) Births and G. (Metaphysical) Lucidity all press in upon us here such that we find the following:

“IF” God should Decree and fashion the Imago Dei“THEN” there can be no such reality as the creation of the “freely-already-married” and, therein, we begin to discover that His love’s Proposals are not the same (in content/yield) as her Replies and Replies are not the same (in content/yield) as Weddings, and, for all the same reasons, Weddings are not the same (in content/yield) as Gestations, and, also, Gestations are not the same (in content/yield) as Birth which themselves are not the same (in content/yield) as New Worlds as such relates to the Door into God’s Ideal, a Door which faces outward from both within Eden and from within Privation.

In fact we are carried into nothing less than both Groom/Bride – and – Proposal/Reply as the Simplicity of I-Thee-Wed presses in. For us to demand unending wholeness & no suffering is rational as both are Good and both sum to The Whole but *IF* we mean to say that God can Create such from the get-go by creating round squares akin to “The Already Freely Married” such that A. All-Things-Adamic are found bypassing B. All-Things-Edenic well *THEN* we are offering and/or asking for a mere absurdity, a round-square given the necessary contours of love amid self/other. Recall the Blueprint. Recall the necessary distinctions amid Proposal / Reply / Wedding and the necessary metaphysical differences amid those three both in content and in yield. Recall again:

[Death] is the #1 Killer in the World. Therefore [Eternal Life] and nothing less is the #1 dissolution of our #1 problem. In fact, BUT FOR [Eternal Life] there is no Ontic Resolution of the #1 killer in the World.

Again recall that to demand unending wholeness? No suffering? Well again yes but then the Metric is nothing less than Eternal Life and, therefore, our hand is forced and Non-Theism becomes its own contradiction even as the Christian Metaphysic retains lucidity.

The Basic Framework of the Christian Metanarrative:

  1. The ontological syntax of [Incarnation] inside & outside of “The Edenic“.
  2. Man is found lifeless outside of Eden. Made of the ground.
  3. The Breath of God births Life, the Imago Dei. Still outside of Eden.
  4. It is only then that the Adamic and the Edenic converge.
  5. Eden cannot remain, is not God’s Ideal, and has two *outward* facing Doors/Trees, each necessitating a radical “ontic-change”.
  6. The Edenic wasn’t Man’s Final Felicity — By Design.
  7. Everything from Genesis until “Now” is in a Downhill Ontic relative to the Edenic & sums to Privation.
  8. Sinai also wasn’t Man’s True Felicity — Man’s Final Good.
  9. The Two Roads leading “The Adamic” to the outside of “The Edenic” both necessarily traverse a. the Groom’s Proposal & b. The Beloved’s Can-Do-Otherwise Reply
  10. Both of those Trees / Doors / Roads converge in that *same* Interface amid Self/Other & thereby in both a.My And Not Thy” and b.Thy And Not My” ((with respect to God & Man))
  11. The Trinitarian Life is the Blueprint of said Interface
  12. Only in the Trinitarian Life do *both* a.My And Not Thy*and* b.Thy And Not My” necessarily Land in The Great I AM — in [The-Good].
  13. For *any* Contingent Being to sum to the Imago Dei — to the Image of the Blueprint — said being must *Traverse* that *same* Can-Do-Otherwise-Procession vis-a-vis Self/Other which we find in the Trinitarian Life ((…Divine Freedom…)). Scripture brackets that “Traversal” in the syntax of [The Groom/The Beloved & The Proposal/Reply].
  14. Once there is a Marriage the Metaphysical Content/Yield necessarily and radically changes ((again — such is *necessarily* the case given the union/embrace of “Marriage”))
  15. The Free Reply of the Beloved into “Marriage” does *not* yield isolation or [The Self in Privation] ((…which is necessarily void of the Immutable Whole, of Community, of Self/Other, of God-In-Man//Man-In-God…))
  16. Instead what “arrives” in and of and by and through the “Marriage” is [Self/Other] — or Wholeness —or Community — as the Ontic of Marriage yields the Ontic of “Birth” which yields an Ontic of Immutability — and that Beautiful Freedom called Permanence vis-à-vis The End Of Days ((and so on)).
  17. Neither the Proposal nor the Wedding are “Complete” here/now within the pains of “Privation” ((…Evil as Privation…)).
  18. The necessary Means/Ends with respect to the perfection of our own being cannot sum to Sinai & Law & More Law & still More Law — ad infinitum.
  19. The necessary Means/Ends with respect to the perfection of our own being is the *same* regardless of which Road out of the Edenic is/was chosen by the Adamic ((…Marriage vs. Privation…)).
  20. Either Tree / Road Out of The Edenic *traverses* the necessary Means/Ends with respect to the perfection of our own being – and that is by logical necessity nothing less than God Himself — Poured Out.
  21. By logical necessity nothing less than All-Sufficiency Himself Poured Out *can* suffice — And such necessarily yields something referenced as “The-Cup”.
  22. Marriage necessarily houses “The-Cup” Freely Chosen/Drank by the Adamic.
  23. It is not possible for God to Bypass This-Cup because God Freely Chose this Cup when God Freely Chose “Himself/The-Good” as the Blueprint and so therein Freely Chose to specifically Decree the Imago Dei. It is there that Gethsemane Reveals God’s Free Choice as Decree within the Trinitarian Life Actualizes within Time & Physicality.
  24. But the Adamic *can* Freely Bypass The-Cup ((…see Groom/Bride and Proposal/Reply earlier…)).
  25. Incarnation With & Without The Fall Is Logically Necessary Given The Decree Of Imago Dei.
  26. That Necessity brings us to Supralapsarian Christology.
  27. We Spy Closure Only In & Through the Metanarrative/Metaphysic of God Himself Poured Out vis-a-vis God and His Beloved
  28. We discover that it is You & I & Us who are His Beloved — as we discover Community in and of Timeless Reciprocity & Ceaseless Self-Giving vis-à-vis Being Itself — First in the Blueprint — the Trinitarian Life — and Ultimately/Finally in all things Adamic
  29. 20/20 Vision is through Two “Eyes” and those Two Eyes ((so to speak)) sum to “Reason & Reciprocity” — or if it helps we can instead say “Logic & Love
  30. See #32 after the following quote.
  31. The following quote is from the book, “Incarnation Anyway: Arguments for Supralapsarian Christology” by E. Van Driel

Quote:

“…..This book raises in a new way a central question of Christology: what is the divine motive for the incarnation? Throughout Christian history a majority of Western theologians have agreed that God’s decision to become incarnate in the person of Jesus Christ was made necessary by “the Fall” — if humans had not sinned, the incarnation would not have happened. This position is known as **infralapsarian**. A minority of theologians however, including some major 19th- and 20th-century theological figures, championed a **supralapsarian** Christology, arguing that God has always intended the incarnation, independent of “the Fall.” Edwin Chr. van Driel offers the first scholarly monograph to map and analyze the full range of supralapsarian arguments. He gives a thick description of each argument and its theological consequences, and evaluates the theological gains and losses inherent in each approach. Van Driel shows that each of the three ways in which God is thought to relate to all that is not God — in creation, in redemption, and in eschatological consummation — can serve as the basis for a supralapsarian argument. He illustrates this thesis with detailed case studies of the Christologies of Schleiermacher, Dorner, and Barth. He concludes that the most fruitful supralapsarian strategy is rooted in the notion of eschatological consummation, taking interpersonal interaction with God to be the goal of the incarnation. He goes on to develop his own argument along these lines, concluding in an eschatological vision in which God is visually, audibly, and tangibly present in the midst of God’s people.”

End quote.

(“#32”) WHY THE CROSS? WHY NOT JUST FORGIVE?

How shall “You’re Forgiven” “cure” or “extinguish” that which is “Evil as Privation”? In fact we discover that in all Sub-Narratives the Meta-Narrative subsumes all definitions as Mt Sinai Necessarily Gives Way To Mt Zion:

#1 Sinai is defined in Scripture as The Ministry of Death

#2 Sinai is defined in Scripture as lacking the means to cure Evil and therein the pains of our Privation

#3 Evil is not a positive substance but is instead a deficiency of substance ((Being, Good, Etc.)) — Evil is therein a Hollow or Vacuum of said substance — and that is Evil as Good’s Privation — as “The Good Minus Something

#4 The Christian Metaphysic posits a cure for Evil — for Privation

#5 That cure is nothing less than the only logically possible Means by which the aforementioned vacuum or deficiency or hollow described in # 3 above could be brought to Non-Existence.

#6 Only that which “Is Itself” that which is “X” ((so to speak)) can Pour & thereby Fill that Hollow which is itself but the void of “X” — again as described in # 3 above

#7 Such cannot be anything less than Being Itself poured out — or Goodness Itself poured out — or All-Sufficiency Himself poured out — or God — via His Own Self-Outpouring — to the bitter Ends of Time & Physicality vis-à-vis all things Adamic — and this is Christ.

Eden? Fall? Freedom? Counterfactuals Within The Edenic:

A quote which captures the error:  “….since God knows what each of them would do in every possible situation, he gets to decide, so to speak, what the upshot will be – which world will be actual….”

We’ll get to those errors a few paragraphs down but first the fallacious Frame/Syllogism off of which that error springboards:

A— If P were in S1, P would do A.
B— If P were in S2, P would not do A.
1— If Adam were in S1, he would obey God.
2— If Adam were in S2, he would not obey God

That formula is ALMOST correct. But not quite:

P = Adam and we can add that G = God and S1/S2/Etc. are various other variables and counterfactuals. The key is that the Rock-Bottom of what the Adamic “Does” or “Chooses” within the Edenic reduces to the Interface of the Adamic with God – or we can say that the entire affair is that of P/G and NOT that of any litany of S1, S2, S3 and so on vis-à-vis other heavier ontics or more weighty ontics which define the Seat of the Soul vis-à-vis Self/Other. The proverbial “Buck Stops Here” as it were. The Seat is the Self and that means exactly that – the “i” vis-à-vis “i-am” vis-à-vis “i-reason” vis-à-vis the Intentional Self and the “How/Why” that can be ontologically Concrete is found in what Non-Theism never can provide – and that is what is found in and through the Ground of Being as such and the Principle of Proportionate Causality ((….not the PSR which is different…)).

In short the above formula is almost right but it assumes there is something at the bottom of the whole show which wins-out or decides or moves OTHER THAN the Seat that is “Self/I-AM” vis-à-vis the Adamic. But that assumption is based purely in Materialism or Physicalism or some other paradigm and NOT in that the paradigm of the Trinitarian Life || Imago Dei. “P/G” therefore in fact over-powers and out-reaches and “out-ontics” the ten thousand variations of the fallacy of P|S1+S2+S3+S4|G

Whether Man is Fully Dualistic such that “I”/“Me”/“Self” ((and so on)) CANNOT be Alive With God//Absent From The Body or whether Man or “I”/“Me”/“Self” CAN in fact be Alive With God//Absent From The Body makes no difference to the Core Fallacy within P|S1+S2+S3+S4|G and the reason why is because there is NO POSSIBLE MAP in the form of [Material Full Stop] or [Covalent Bonds Full Stop] which can “in fact” or “in principle someday” Map the Whole of The Adamic ((….the defense of the map of the philosophy of mind and refuting eliminative maps and fallacious “non-reductive” equivocations and so on is not / are not the topic here….)).

Keeping “P/G” in mind, and keeping the Principle of Proportionate Causality in mind, and keeping in mind the topic of Where/How all such Ontics in fact overpower and out-reach the fallacy of P|S1+S2+S3+S4|G – there is ((if interested)) more on how that “cashes out” so to speak over within the following somewhat tedious/lengthy items:

A— The Adamic, The Edenic, Free Will, God’s Will, God’s Decree, Incarnation, and Possible Worlds – Part 1 – at http://disq.us/p/1mj0mc2

B— The Adamic, The Edenic, Free Will, God’s Will, God’s Decree, Incarnation, and Possible Worlds – Part 2 – at http://disq.us/p/1zvghk8

C— With Or Without The Fall vis-à-vis All Possible Worlds – at http://disq.us/p/1zxdloe

Counterfactuals Within The Edenic & The Irreducible Face-To-Face

God’s Decree of, Creation of, the “Y” that is the entire Adamic Landscape (…the trio of Eden, Privation, & God’s Eternal Ideal…) is not a Decree of, Creation of, three separate created realities but is *one* created landscape the blueprint for which is the Trinitarian Life amid love’s Self/Other vis-à-vis the Divine Decree of the Imago Dei. It is the case that The Adamic cannot find Eternal Life, God’s Eternal Ideal, other than by traversing that landscape of God’s / His love’s Proposal amid the Adamic’s Reply amid the syntax of a Wedding. More specifically, we arrive at the Decreed Imago Dei within 1. a proposal, 2. a reply, 3. a wedding, and the necessary *distinctions* between those three. They are all constitutions of *one* landscape and yet they are irreducibly distinct. The causal ecosystem in 2 is not, either in content or in yield, that of 3, and, everything in 2 is *necessary* (…or cannot be otherwise, by Decree…), and, nothing in 2 is *sufficient* (..by force of logical impossibility…).

We come to that Face-To-Face amid God/Man and the blueprint for the Adamic just is the irreducible contours of the Trinitarian Life and, given said Decree, we find that in the earlier formula ((…soaked through with P|S1+S2+S3+S4|G …)) we come upon the following errors/disqualifiers:

[1] The absence of the stand-alone interface amid God/Man (… the proverbial P/G) within the narrative of Self/Other

[2] An endless litany of unwarranted additions to that same “God/Man” interface of counterfactual S1, S2, S3, Etc.

[3] There is no case in which Adam’s “S1” becomes and is “God” and/or where “S2” becomes and is “The Adamic” ((so to speak)) and so we always/only find Adam-AND-S1-Etc. and we never find that Face-To-Face that *is* P/G

[4] The unwarranted premise that those additions ((…S1, S2, Etc…)) are ontologically heavier than and so “out-ontic” the irreducible I/Self amid that same Decreed Self/Other as per the Decree of the Imago Dei

Yield/Result: All of that forces one to expunge half of Scripture’s metanarrative. That is to say that the following is valid IF and only IF one expunges the Trinitarian Life and thereby invents some sort of Non-Christian Paradigm. Here it is again:

A— If P were in S1, P would do A.
B— If P were in S2, P would not do A.
1— If Adam were in S1, he would obey God.
2— If Adam were in S2, he would not obey God

Again notice the Non-Existent P/G and the overriding fallacious ontic of P|S1+S2+S3+S4|G. Also notice the Immaterial/Immaterial vis-à-vis the Face-To-Face vis-à-vis the P/G. The Physicalist’s reduction does not apply here and in fact cannot apply here. Our terms and referents need to be precise.

Man inside of that blueprint is necessarily and unavoidably amid “Self/Other” vis-à-vis God/Man and, therefore, we find Man in Eden – or – we find the Adamic in Eden moving and motioning and thereby choosing from *that* terminus, and *that* equates to God presenting “the Adamic” with neither S1 nor S2 nor S3 nor….. and so on, but, rather, with “G”, with Himself, with *GOD*.

Then, from there:

When the Adamic motions *there*, in *that* interface, it is *not* amid S1/Adam, nor S2/Adam, nor S3/Adam, but, rather, between Self/Other vis-à-vis [The Adamic] / [GOD] vis-à-vis which world will actualize and recall that *this* is by Decree and the reason the Decree takes *this* form and makes *this* landscape is *not* because God could not make some other type of world, but, rather, because God’s Decree of, Creation of, the “Y” that is the entire Adamic Landscape (…the trio of Eden, Privation, & God’s Eternal Ideal…) is not a Decree of, Creation of, three separate created realities but is *one* created landscape the Blueprint for which is the Trinitarian Life amid love’s Self/Other vis-à-vis the Divine Decree of the Imago Dei.

In and by *that* Decree by *that* God – the uniquely Trinitarian God of the uniquely Christian metaphysic – we discover Man motioning [into/out of] that which is [God / Person] and the *error* is to think that God places Man before something besides Himself such that:

A— If P were in S1, P would do A.
B— If P were in S2, P would not do A.
1— If Adam were in S1, he would obey God.
2— If Adam were in S2, he would not obey God

A quote which captures the error: “Since God knows what each of them would do in every possible situation, he gets to decide, so to speak, what the upshot will be – which world will be actual.”

There is another key in that error:

It is okay to say that God foresees S1 along with S1’s outcome, and, it is okay to say God foresees S2 along with S2’s outcome.

So far so good.

However, *that* is *not* what makes the Sum of the Adamic for, what God presents to the Adamic, and we mean by Decrere, in that peculiar World termed all things Edenic is God Himself. In that sense then we find that, per the formula above as it’s written there, S1 and S2 are not possible and the reason why…

….and the reason why…

….is that, by Decree, whatever we want to make of Eden’s status (…physical vs immaterial vs. some sort of pre-fall paradigm – or whatever…) it is the case that God presents the Immaterial / Adamic – not with a wad of neurons-full-stop – but with something both Uncreated and Immaterial – namely Himself (…for one thing…) which we can call here in this proper formula “G” to replace any “S”, and, then, (…for another thing…), we also find the [1] “outcome/option” of the isolated Self vis-à-vis Privation – and/or – [2] the “outcome/option” of the eternal life or community or unicity of Self/Other vis-à-vis God’s Eternal Ideal for all things Adamic.

That metaphysical landscape constitutes the “what” which God has Created and it constitutes the “what” which is “in-play” there within the “Y” that is *one* Created Landscape. Notice the Immaterial/Immaterial vis-à-vis the Face-To-Face vis-à-vis the P/G.

What we discover happening in Eden and what we discover happening in Privation – given that “G” – is All-Sufficiency’s Own Self-Outpouring – Christ – in all available worlds and that interface amid “Necessity/Contingency” – or if it helps amid “All-Sufficiency / Total Insufficiency” – or if it helps amid “Creator/Created” – or if it helps amid “God/Man” – is that which sums to Love’s Proposal and what is in-play is, as with all weddings, the landscape of the Privatized Self (…on the one hand…) and the landscape of community, of that singular “Us” (…on the other hand…), the latter there of course being “Heaven” or “Eternal Life”, or “God’s Eternal Ideal for all things Adamic” or, in the First and Last Adam, this: Man in God, God in Man.

See With Or Without The Fall vis-à-vis All Possible Worlds – at http://disq.us/p/1zxdloe Also, overlapping content is found while unpacking some of the key missteps in J.L. Schellenberg’s “A New Logical Problem of Evil” …that is unpacked in “Objective And Irreducible Evil Exists Therefore Objective and Irreducible Good Exists Therefore God Exists” which is at https://metachristianity.com/objective-and-irreducible-evil-exists-therefore-objective-and-irreducible-good-exists-therefore-god-exists/

Permanence & Freedom & Yet No Sin In Eternal Life

Notice that the Blueprint logically necessitated all things Edenic and that the Edenic logically necessitated not permanence ((…in the Edenic or in the Proposal…)) but rather Two Options and only Two Options ((….amid Self/Other…)).  Notice also that we find three irreducibly distinct Metaphysical Landscapes with respect to Content and Yield regarding all things Adamic – namely all things Proposal ((…all things Edenic…)) and all things Wedding ((…from within Eden or from within Privation makes no difference…)) and all things Birth.

That which is necessarily “Insufficiency Itself” (…in our case all things Adamic) free falls into “All Sufficiency Itself” (…as in Being Itself / God) such that wherever Insufficiency shall turn its eyes, whether above its head, or beneath its feet, or into its own chest, in all vectors it shall find not its own insufficiency but instead the All Sufficiency of He Who fills Within Himself by His Own Self-Outpouring as the Triune God and He Who Fills All In all by necessity of Being and He Who therein through Proposal and through Life-Or-Death and through Wedding and through Birth glorifies The Frail & Created Other — His Beloved — all things Adamic —by the peculiar Debasement of Himself and thereby gifts to His Bride that beautiful freedom called Permanence.

It is those necessary distinctions amid those necessary Contents and those necessary Yields which begin to unravel the Mystery as to How/Why all things Adamic arrive at that Beautiful Freedom called Permanence ((…all things Eternal Life….)). Recall the Blueprint – that of the Trinitarian Life. It is THOSE Progressions/Contours which in fact constitute the entirety of the Christian Metaphysic. To say that God CAN/OUGHT Create the Already-Freely-Married-Beloved is to insist that God Bypass the Irreducible Progressions of the Trinitarian Life AND YET STILL bring about the irreducible Content and irreducible Yield of Timeless Reciprocity vis-à-vis Ceaseless Self-Giving vis-à-vis ((Divine)) Freedom amid Self/Other is to say that God CAN/OUGHT Create Round-Squares.

The Blueprint which God uses to fashion the Imago Dei is just that – the Imago Dei – and that makes it logically impossible to fashion Man in anything akin to the Already-Freely-Married-State from the Get-Go. There are reasons why the terms and syntax of Groom and Bride and Her-Reply and Wedding are found in Scripture’s Metanarrative just as there are reasons why the syntax of Birth populates the Christian Metanarrative even as there are reasons why we find the syntax of Agency and Reciprocity as all things Edenic therein become necessary with respect to all things Adamic given the necessary premises/conditions which arrive in and by the uniquely Trinitarian Paradigm. The Critic can do as he wishes but he must take the Christian’s premises on their own terms in order to meaningfully interact with it Pro or Con ((….but that’s another story…)).

As we move out of the ((unique and seamless and necessary)) metaphysical Content & Yield of the Landscape of the Groom’s Proposal and begin to move into and unpack the ((unique and seamless and necessary)) Content & Yield within the Landscapes of Wedding and then from there as we begin to move into the ((unique and seamless and necessary)) Content & Yield of the metaphysical Landscape of Birth we begin to come upon thy syntax of Eternal Life and of Afterlife or we can say we come upon the syntax of Man’s Final Good or of Man’s True Felicity – that Beautiful Freedom called Permanence.

The brackets of ontological possibilities in the Possible Worlds under review ((…Imgao Dei…)) are logically constrained by the Blueprint of the Trinitarian Life. Given, that is, the Decree of Imago Dei. At the end of the line all counterfactuals ((S1/S2/S3/Etc.)) beyond the Rock-Bottom that is Self/Other ((…beyond Man/God…)) within the Edenic are unnecessary and irrelevant while The Edenic itself or the Face-To-Face itself or that Immaterial/Immaterial Interface itself is in fact Necessary both Logically and Metaphysically ((…given the Blueprint…)).

Heaven or Eternal Life begins to arrive within the contours of a discussion about the perfection of love which of course necessarily entails the perfection of reason, which itself entails the perfection of consciousness, which is the perfection of being – as that beautiful freedom called Permanence is (then) actualized or birthed. Indeed we are inherently relational beings and there is a reason for that.

While the Edenic is necessary, the affairs of Privation as anything more than a full-on Ontic-Option are not necessary ((…the Ontic-Option is…the Ontic-Motion into that is not…)).  Notice again that what was impossible then is that all things Adamic would remain eternally within all things Edenic. From there we find, here, now, from within Privation, it is the case that it is impossible now that all things Adamic remain eternally within all things Privation. Conditional Immortality vs. Universalism vs. Hell as ECT are Christendom’s trio of viable/live Maps and, as C.S. Lewis observed, there is “THAT” and then the only other viable option coming in at “2nd Place” so to speak is the Hindu’s Pantheism ((…although that fails for various reasons…which is another discussion…)).

[…Note several segues with respect to “….God Ought Put An End to Evil…” and “…Ending Evil…” are at http://disq.us/p/1y85jdc which is also linked with https://randalrauser.com/2018/06/okay-so-laura-ingalls-wilder-was-a-racist-now-what/#comment-4246327632 …]

[…Note that several segues are in “With Or Without The Fall vis-à-vis All Possible Worlds” at http://disq.us/p/1zxdloe which is also linked with https://randalrauser.com/2018/08/can-violence-ever-serve-a-redemptive-purpose/#comment-4349160446 …]

[…J.L. Schellenberg’s “A New Logical Problem of Evil” is unpacked in “Objective And Irreducible Evil Exists Therefore Objective and Irreducible Good Exists Therefore God Exists” which is at https://metachristianity.com/objective-and-irreducible-evil-exists-therefore-objective-and-irreducible-good-exists-therefore-god-exists/…]

What About Pre-Eden & Evolution & Cosmic Fairness & Cosmic Justice & Hell?

Yes, in a moment. But first, an excerpt from another essay to summarize the content so far before moving onto What About Pre-Eden & Evolution & Cosmic Fairness & Cosmic Justice & Hell?. Note the excerpt is a bit long so it is sandwiched Begin Excerpt For Summaryand End Excerpt For Summary” beginning here:

Begin Excerpt For Summary:

The “lens” of the following is “from within” our privation, and yet should we find ourselves in Eden, in Sin-less-ness, all the same definitions, means, and ends arrive in full force. Which is what we expect given that — on force of logic — it is not our choice in Eden with respect to its two outward facing Doors which defines reality, but, rather, it is the Divine Decree which defines not just reality, but all realities:

The résumé and the proposal and the wedding and the begetting……..

With respect to the premise of …..Sin A or Sin B or Sin C or Sin D or Sin E, and, well, “IF” Sin A or B or C or D or E, “THEN” one will not ultimately see Man’s final felicity – Man’s true good…., a few points of clarification:

Our syntax has to be precise. Sin matters. The purpose of man and reality matters. “The Good” matters. *Yet* our sins are not what decide our fate or inheritance. Not ultimately. The résumé which we freely and volitionally hand to God is what decides what we inherit.

[A] If on said résumé we find any created-self, any derived-being, the “I” / Myself ((…Self… Privation… “My & Not Thy”…)) am listed as the landing place of Hope or the landing place of Sufficient, then I’m given my preference, my preferred heaven, my first love – the isolated or privatized self – the “Pure-I”, that which is Me/Man minus Fullness of Being, that which is Me/Man minus Fullness of Goodness – and so on.

[B] If on said résumé the all-sufficient Other, the un-created Other, and so on, is instead listed as the landing place of Hope or the landing place of Sufficient then we find on the résumé the content of the immutable love of the Necessary Being – Who Himself Pours Out, and Fills – and thereby if the all-sufficient is found in Christ – then I am given my preference, my preferred Heaven, my first love – the community or unicity or wholeness amid self/other – of God in Man / Man in God – and therewith – through Wedding – through Birth – finally into immutable love wherever I shall motion, whether above my head or beneath my feet or into my own chest – ad infinitum.

Neither our sins nor our righteousness can win the day. Only God’s righteousness wins the day. Only Christ. Our condition does not matter in the sense being discussed here which is what will decide our fate or inheritance.

“That” aqueduct through which the Living Water flows is neither our sin nor our biology nor by logical necessity ANY other Frail & Contingent & Created Any-Thing but is instead that which is given in some measure to all men – namely trust as it relates to our volition and will to freely embrace Life, to freely embrace The Good, to freely embrace Wholeness in Being, to freely embrace Christ, to chase after the Good vis-à-vis love’s acquiescence to the All-Sufficient-Other.

We find in God His Own Self-Outpouring within the Trinitarian Life Trinity and so too by His Own Free Choice to Create & Decrees His Own Image in a World and thereby God utters to us, to His beloved, His Own You and not I ((…Logos in Pure Act revealed as Logos in Gethsemane…)) so too we, the beloved, should we so choose, will in like manner join in love’s timeless reciprocity as our own You and not I finds our voice – finds THAT voice – finds HIS voice.

Changes will come following that interface, but we all change at different paces and through different degrees. Just ask Peter and others in the book of Acts and in Corinth ….and so on all the way up through modernity and the Christian journey.

It’s the résumé which the applicant submits. It’s not the applicant.

Reason and logic press in and compel our definitions:

This difference between the résumé and the applicant cannot be some other way in any possible world given the two facts of [1] the Decree of the Imago Dei and [2] the fact that we are contingent beings. We cannot rise to the level of being our own means given the end that is the immutable love of God – the immutable love of the Necessary Being.

That’s on the pure force of logic – and Scripture’s metanarrative comports with that is as expected. Going one step further we find that the same goes for love and contingent beings with respect to what necessarily cannot be otherwise within love’s topography as it relates to contingent beings in relationship with the Necessary Being. Man “cannot not” interface with / interact with what D.B. Hart describes as “Being, Consciousness, & Bliss” vis-à-vis “The Experience of God”.

That is *why* Eden was neither Privation nor Heaven but instead found Man between two possible worlds, and, as John 3 is promised in Genesis 3, that is *why* still today Man finds himself between two possible worlds — God’s is an unstoppable love.

The relational nature within Trinity necessarily occasions the metaphysics of love’s reciprocity when God creates Man and that fountainhead shapes all ontological possibility. When God first approaches Man we find, not Heaven, not Privation, but love’s proposal to the beloved, as in:

It is logically necessary that the metaphysics of reciprocity and of self-giving and of self/other vis-à-vis Man/God vis-à-vis love house the triune God’s (…who is love…) free and volitional proposal to His beloved just as it is logically necessary that the metaphysics of love’s proposal house two possible outcomes amid self/other with respect to the contingent being’s free and volitional reply, just as it is logically necessary that the metaphysics of that proposal are not and cannot be the same metaphysics which we will find in the free and volitional Wedding which follows the proposal as “proposing” and “begetting” are not identical.

Being careful with terms: We must always delineate some of the necessary differences with respect to the metaphysics when one is within (….on the one hand…) the arena of “God” or “Trinity” as opposed to when one is within (…on the other hand…) the arena of contingent beings in relation to the Necessary Being (…God/Trinity…).

Conclusion: One of the reasons I am a Christian is that in that paradigm alone reason and logic are satisfied that love’s timeless reciprocity is in fact a contour of reality’s irreducible and immutable substratum and is thereby seamless with the rational. What the rational mind claims as ontic-truth is thereby in fact the highest ethic vis-à-vis love’s timeless reciprocity. Reason as truth-finder is compelled by the unrelenting demands of both logic and love to chase after Christ, and after His Means, and after His Ends.

A Proposal Is Not A Wedding & A Wedding Is Not A Birth

Our Non-Theist friends often say something like, “God should have bypassed Eden and just made the Bride/Groom “already freely married” so to speak….” That is because the skeptic does not realize the logically impossible False Identity Claims he is foisting there with respect to, say,

[A] mutable innocence is identical to [B] immutable perfection (Eden = Heaven/Eternal Life)

….or such as, say,

[A] a Bride and a Groom diving into amalgamation on the volition of one and the annihilation of the volition of the other somehow sums to or is identical to [B] love’s landscape there within the Trinitarian Life

To reason perfectly is to find the perfectly moral, and this in turn is the perfectly loving – perfect reciprocity – and this in turn is the perfectly volitional. Divine Simplicity awaits us there at the end of all of syntax and there is no such thing as “…some faint contour thereof or some part thereof…” which Man perceives and which houses a part-of but not the whole-of as one’s syntax ascends.

Eden’s Innocence is found in Gethsemane’s sinless Adam – and whether it is Man in wholeness or Man in fragmentation does not change the landscape as Man cannot fail to behold not only his own necessary need (…he is a contingent being….) but also he cannot fail to behold full-on reciprocity and self-giving whether in sin or in acquiescence or in glorification. Marriage cannot be something other than Marriage. That which is necessarily “Insufficiency Itself” (…in our case all things Adamic) free falls into “All Sufficiency Itself” (…as in Being Itself / God) such that wherever Insufficiency shall turn its eyes, whether above its head, or beneath its feet, or into its own chest, in all vectors it shall find not its own insufficiency but instead the All Sufficiency of He Who fills Within Himself by His Own Self-Outpouring as the Triune God and He Who Fills All In all by necessity of Being and He Who therein through Proposal and through Life-Or-Death and through Wedding and through Birth glorifies The Frail & Created Other — His Beloved — all things Adamic —by the peculiar Debasement of Himself and thereby gifts to His Bride that beautiful freedom called Permanence.

The metaphysical content & yield of [A] The Groom’s Proposal ((…Eden…)) as compared to [B] the metaphysical content & yield of that which sums to Wedding. Notice that the means and ends of all things Edenic and also of all things Privation constitute all things Adamic amid all things Proposal – and – simultaneously – all of that is a radically different category than we find in the metaphysical content & yield of Wedding.

From within Eden we find two outward facing doors as both Eternal Life and Privation sum to a radical change in “ontic-status” and – similarly – from within Privation we find God down here in our Hell – with us – as again we find two – count them – outward facing Doors as both Eternal Life and the End of the frail and mutable contingency we call “Time & Becoming” presses in – as Presentism gives way to Eternalism ((….physics is slowly catching up….)).

Any proposal of love that isn’t free amid “Self/Other” just isn’t a trinitarian love. While it is the case that Universalism is necessarily possible (…given the volitional nature of love vis-à-vis Christianity’s trinitarian metaphysic…) even as in seamless lucidity Universalism is not necessarily actualized (…given the volitional nature of love vis-à-vis Christianity’s trinitarian metaphysic…)Given, that is, the Decree of Imago Dei. We have to be careful about our definitions because all of “that” of course is the metaphysical landscape of love’s Proposal. Which is necessarily going to be irreducibly different than the metaphysical landscape of love’s Wedding. Which is necessarily going to be irreducibly different than the metaphysical landscape of a Birth.

The content & yield of A is necessarily distinct from the content and yield of B such that “B = A” is a metaphysical absurdity. Conflating and/or equating one landscape for another isn’t going to give one the definitions specific to the uniquely Christian metaphysic – planet Earth’s only thoroughly Trinitarian Metaphysic

End Excerpt For Summary.

And, so, now….

What About Pre-Eden & Evolution & Cosmic Fairness & Cosmic Justice & Hell?

Scripture lacks the provision of logical certainty with respect to a. Eternal Conscious Torment vs. b. Universalism vs. c. Conditional Immortality. It is here where the Non-Theist must not over-reach as we discover Scripture’s lack of logical compulsion into logical certainty there.  In fact we find obvious and even necessary reasons for that ambiguity ((..briefly http://disq.us/p/1z06rze..))  — as per 1. http://disq.us/p/1z00vz7 and 2. http://disq.us/p/1xvkoyr and 3. http://disq.us/p/1yd9lxj and 4. http://disq.us/p/1z7j4cr and 5.  http://disq.us/p/1z06rze and 6.  http://disq.us/p/1z4bl75 and 7. http://disq.us/p/1z4ce3b and 8. https://www.metachristianity.com/heaven-hell-cosmic-fairness-ethic-love/

One of those reasons for Scripture’s Designed Ambiguity is the fallacy of Necessity or Goodness to any sort of “Threat-Of-Bad-Outcome-Full-Stop” as any sort of paradigmatic necessity or as a kind of Meaning-Maker in any body of premises dealing with the interface of God/Man ((…that shows up within silly straw-men akin to “…but the Bible is all about THREATS….!” and so on….)) — as per the provided links above.

Okay That Makes Sense But What About Hell? Where love itself is concerned and where the highest ethic is concerned, we find self-giving love and it is the Non-Theist’s painfully necessary metaphysical reality that all his own explanatory termini are constituted of tediously complex self-negations amid ultimately fictitious “As-If’s” ending in the pains of metaphysical elimination immersed within auto-hypnosis wrapped up inside of Noble Lies as Irreducible Moral Facts independent of Contingent Abstractions are never retained in the end and as such they factually fail to do the necessary “ontic-work” when needed.

Regarding Pre-Eden vectors, as noted elsewhere in this essay there are the following obvious facts:

  1. Man is found lifeless outside of Eden. Made of the ground.
  2. The Breath of God births Life, the Imago Dei. Still outside of Eden.
  3. It is only then that the Adamic and the Edenic
  4. Eden cannot remain, is not God’s Ideal, and has two *outward* facing Doors/Trees, each necessitating a radical “ontic-change”.
  5. The Edenic wasn’t Man’s Final Felicity — By Design.
  6. Everything from Genesis until “Now” is in a Downhill Ontic relative to the Edenic & sums to Privation.

Regarding Hell again ((…also see https://metachristianity.com/heaven-hell-cosmic-fairness-ethic-love/…)) there is the following:

Begin excerpt:

With respect to (…actual, metaphysical, cosmic, ultimate…); fairness, and justice, and injustice, there are very important differences of course (…and that work will have to be done further downstream…), but, the only players with ANY possible claim to rational (…actual, metaphysical, cosmic, ultimate…) resolution of evil, of injustice, of unfairness, are:

A — Hell defined as ECT (hence Christianity)
B — Universalism (hence Christianity)
C — Conditional Immortality (hence Christianity)
D — Hinduism (not Spinoza’s pantheism for many reasons, and not Buddhism’s equivocation upon Metaphysical Naturalism)

Indifferent and Casually Inert “Platonic Moral Facts” are one option but ((again another discussion)) they too fail within the contours of Intentionility || Self-Other || Self-Giving ((and so on)).

End excerpt.

Regarding Christendom’s internal discussions surrounding the box called Pre-Eden and as for Christendom’s internal discussions surrounding the box called [ECT vs. Conditional Immortality vs. Universalism] — well those are fun discussions to have but those two boxes are irrelevant to the Necessity of Logos vis-à-vis Incarnation regardless of “The Adamic’s Path” out of The Edenic and, also, those two boxes are irrelevant to the content which forces the necessity of all things Edenic ((…recall the trio of Landscapes amid Proposal/Reply & Wedding/Traversal & Birth/The Eternal and so on…)).

W.L. Craig’s “Could God Create a Morally Perfect Being?” is at https://www.reasonablefaith.org/writings/question-answer/could-god-create-a-morally-perfect-being-revisited/ and makes the following observation:

Quote:

“My reply is based on the idea that moral perfection is a uniquely divine property. To be morally perfect is to embody goodness itself, to be maximally good. If you agree… that being the Supreme Good makes a being worthy of worship, then it immediately follows that that being is God. For by definition God is a being worthy of worship. Nothing else but God is worthy of worship (as opposed to just admiration). So if a being is morally perfect and therefore God, it must have all the essential properties of God, including omniscience, omnipotence, eternity, necessity, and so on. My answer implies that a human person cannot be a morally perfect being, or he would be God. Dave asks, What about Adam?  In Christian theology, Adam is not morally perfect. He is morally innocent prior to the Fall but not morally perfect. Even in heaven, free from sin, our righteousness will be finite, not like the infinite goodness of God. So I suspect that people’s reservations about my claim were based on a different understanding of “morally perfect.”  Perhaps they interpreted it to mean something like “sinless.” In that case God can (and did) create a sinless human being. But sinlessness should not be equated with moral perfection, which is a positive quality of infinite magnitude.”

End quote.

Okay That Makes Sense But What About Either-Or?

Either Indifference Or Else Joy At Lost Souls? 

Once we land at A/B/C/D we find another problem of a Strawman or Misdirection of concern, and that is found in a kind of either/or amid Either Pity Or Indifference with respect to Lost Souls or we can say Either Evil-Indifference Or Evil-Joy at the Good of the Many should my beloved in fact refuse All-Sufficiency/Community and be a Lost Soul.

There are several problems with that approach. For one thing it is an obviously false dichotomy. One has both Joy at Justice & Fairness ((Etc.)) and Grieves at the harm of one’s beloved — and — note that IF those Sentiments press on one’s moral intuition to affirm/deny or to somehow go farther/higher THEN one must say Good-Bye to all Non-Theistic Fates/Paradigms as one is left with —again — A/B/C/D described above.  For another thing recall the fact Non-Theism’s own demands for Justice and Joy and Goodness betray Non-Theism itself as we just saw earlier with respect to any full-on Ontological Closure given the following:  [Death] is the #1 Killer in the World. Therefore [Eternal Life] and nothing less is the #1 dissolution of our #1 problem. In fact, BUT FOR [Eternal Life] there is no Ontic Resolution of the #1 killer in the World.

There are no other players on the stage with the sort of currency required here (…see “Hell, Cosmic Fairness, & The Ethic of Love” – at https://metachristianity.com/heaven-hell-cosmic-fairness-ethic-love/ …).

Another problem with the complaint…. IF ECT troubles us (…and it should, in one sense because we may be one of those who think it true and want to find closure there — or – in another sense because we may be one of those who think it false and yet reject Non-Theism’s rock-bottom of Cosmic Indifference…) and IF we value Cosmic Fairness and Goodness and so on THEN we are still left with only four viable options wrt available vectors and all available vectors are outside of Non-Theism (certainly) and inside of Christianity (certainly) and/or Hinduism (possibly). Again the appeal to [Causally Inert Non-Self Platonic Abstract Objectsfails in key areas as again that is another discussion.

That carries forward into 2000 years of internal dialogue within Christendom with respect to the Trio of ECT vs. Universalism vs. Conditional Immortality and, then, quite seamlessly, to the following:

“To demand of the loveless and the self-imprisioned that they should be allowed to blackmail the universe: that till they consent to be happy (on their own terms) no one else shall taste joy: that theirs should be the final power; that Hell should be able to veto Heaven…Either the day must come when joy prevails and all the makers of misery are no longer able to infect it: or else for ever and ever the makers of misery can destroy in others the happiness they reject for themselves. I know it has a grand sound to say ye’ll accept no salvation which leaves one creature in the dark outside. But watch the sophistry or ye’ll make a Dog in the Manger the tyrant of the universe.” (…by C.S. Lewis, The Great Divorce…)

I often ask the Non-Theist which of the following vectors he is going to embrace as he trades away his now obviously immoral/amoral Non-Theism when discussing this topic:

A — Hell defined as ECT (hence Christianity)
B — Universalism (hence Christianity)
C — Conditional Immortality (hence Christianity)
D — Hinduism (not Spinoza’s pantheism for many reasons, and not Buddhism’s equivocation upon Metaphysical Naturalism)

The reply is typically a refusal to embrace the very thing they are opining about with respect to what ought be present. It’s quite peculiar.

Again recall that it is the case that Scripture lacks the provision of logical certainty with respect to Eternal Conscious Torment vs. Universalism vs. Conditional Immortality. It is here where the Non-Theist must not over-reach as we discover Scripture’s lack of logical compulsion into logical certainty there.  In fact we find obvious and even necessary reasons for that ambiguity ((…briefly http://disq.us/p/1z06rze …)) — as per 1. http://disq.us/p/1z00vz7 and 2. http://disq.us/p/1xvkoyr and 3. http://disq.us/p/1yd9lxj and 4. http://disq.us/p/1z7j4cr and 5.  http://disq.us/p/1z06rze and 6.  http://disq.us/p/1z4bl75 and 7. http://disq.us/p/1z4ce3b and 8. https://www.metachristianity.com/heaven-hell-cosmic-fairness-ethic-love/

Covalent Bonds & Body & Pre-Eden & Eden’s Immaterial/Immaterial Fact-To-Face

 A bit more on the P/G or that Immaterial/Immaterial or that Face-To-Face amid God/Man with respect to freedom amid the Edenic / Adamic:

Whatever “Nature” Pre-Eden was/is and whatever “Nature” the Edenic was/is and whatever the nature of the map of the Adamic’s journey of having been created outside of Eden, and, then, placed inside of Eden and, then, found amid genuine ontic-possibilities with respect to Eden’s Two Outward facing Doors/Trees ( Privation / Eternal Life ) and, then, found freely moving into, now, Privation – and so on – is all, specifically, irrelevant to the actual Means and the actual Ends which we find “in-play”. The question of “Define Human” cannot “Begin & End” in Covalent bonds but THAT questions is not THIS question of all things Adamic/Edenic/Prvation Etc. In fact THAT question is one of Theism/Non-Theism. With respect to “Define Human” there is more to that specifically in Imago Dei And Closure In An Actual Human Nature And Rejecting The Eternally Open Ended — at https://metachristianity.com/imago-dei-and-closure-in-an-actual-human-nature-and-rejecting-the-eternally-open-ended/

No amount of mapping of material particle cascades in motion from dirt to man can account for the whole of The Adamic given the metaphysical baggage of Materialism or Non-Theism (…or whatever…) and given the necessary means for the convertibility of necessary transcendentals.

Or, we can say: After all, there is more to the Adamic than the corporeal and that is WHY is we can and do say that the “ontological history of becoming” with respect to the Body proper (the corporeal) is not convertible with the “ontological history of becoming” of the whole of The Adamic. The irreducible I/Self houses an ontic which outdistances or outreaches the purely corporeal. Scripture finds God using dust and, then, that which is Dirt-To-Man finds the Lifeless Adamic outside of Eden, and so on ((…hence the bizarre and irrational nature of the claims which our Non-Theist friends make about Dirt-To-Man or evolution somehow being a “problem” for the Christian metaphysic…)).

Eden’s two outward facing Doors are not a kind of tacked-on-forget-for-now reality but in fact force our hand given that Eden’s Non-Culpable Non-Perfect landscape is NOT God’s Ideal for Mankind forever as each of Eden’s two Outward facing doors necessitate a radical “ontic-change” in all things Adamic ((…one Door/Tree is the Adamic’s Privation ((in Self)) while the other Door/Tree is God’s Eternal Ideal for the Adamic ((namely God’s Own Self)) and so on…)).

The Adamic cannot find Eternal Life, God’s Eternal Ideal, other than by traversing that landscape of God’s / His love’s Proposal amid the Adamic’s Reply amid the syntax of a Wedding.

The wording of “Eden’s non-culpable / non-perfect” juxtaposes the wording of Eden’s “innocence plus non-perfection-of-being” alongside the wording of our own current Privation’s “non-innocence plus non-perfection-of-being“.

IF in fact it was the case ((as per Ontic-Fact)) that the Edenic Adamic was free to do “otherwise” THEN in fact that “otherwise” cannot sum to “An Option-Without-Being” ((as in a Fake Option)) or we can say that it cannot sum to “Ontic Non-Entity” nor can it sum to a kind of Ontic Noble Lie told by the Necessary Being.

In fact God / Omnipotence cannot create a being that is in fact free to do Non-Entity – or we can say that God cannot create a being that is in fact free to do Non-Being. We cannot equate “IN FACT Free-To-Do-No-Thing” to “IN FACT Free-To-Do-Otherwise”. And we can just agree that the Necessary Being has not told us any sort of Ontic Noble Lie there in the Edenic. ANY epistemic which cannot contain Eden and Eden’s possible worlds has, from the start, a suspicious ontic already in jeopardy.

Do we have an epistemological frame which can contain the ontological frame of Eden’s possible worlds?

The Christian metaphysic subsumes all of it and, therefore, any epistemology which self-negates as it moves within/amid Pre-Eden, Eden, Privation, and God’s Eternal Ideal (Eternal Life, Etc.) is somehow straying — especially if such moves are taken at the expense of readily available, more lucid epistemological and ontological alternatives.

Scripture defines reality by FAR more than Privation and its various contours. That is because CHRIST is FAR more expansive than the boundaries thereof.

Should Privation/Fall NOT Have Actualized 

Then Incarnation nonetheless, then Christ and thereby God meeting the Adamic not in metaphorical gibberish for Christ *is* God meeting all things Adamic not in metaphor but in fact Fact-To-Face within Time and Physicality. We are STILL left with the Landscape of the Edenic and of Proposal and of Wedding and of Birth. Any metaphysic which does not account for the whole-show becomes anemic.

Yes, SURE we DO have a kind of Lens or Vantage point from a “one-side-of-the-coin” sort of epistemic in describing what God and God’s Will at times LOOKS LIKE from WITHIN the pains of our Privation and that is understandable. But too often in Scripture far too much breaks through, leaks through, and reminds us from whence we have come — which is NOT from Eternal Life and not God’s Eternal Ideal for the Adamic but, rather, from The Adamic’s journey of having been created outside of Eden, and, his Lifeless Body, then placed inside of Eden and, then, found amid genuine full-on Possible Worlds vis-à-vis full-on Ontic-Possibilities with respect to Eden’s two Outward facing Doors/Trees ((…Privation vis. Self || Eternal Life vis. Self/Other…)) and, then, found freely moving into the pains of Privation and, then, in “The Now”, those same fateful Landscapes remain ever Within & Around us. We must remember that we are *seeing* all of it from *within* Privation, and, we must remember that the Christian metaphysic DOES have the means to an epistemology which captures BOTH the sightlines from WITHIN Privation AND the sightlines from OUTSIDE of Privation. How uncanny.

With & Without The Fall — Must the Necessary Being, or All-Sufficiency vis-à-vis Good vis-à-vis Being in fact Pour-Out and Into all that is Insufficient, all that is Contingent, all that is The Adamic?

In fact it is logically impossible for the perfection of being to come by any lesser means and therein the only rational Means to the End that is Unending Wholeness is nothing less than All Sufficiency Himself vis-à-vis Goodness Himself vis-à-vis Being Himself and His Own Self-Outpouring into and through to the bitter ends of all things Adamic – as all the syntax of Logos in descent pushes through.

Whence can the Contingent Being find Eternal Life but for the Necessary Being?

Whence can the Contingent Being’s necessary insufficiency with respect to self-sufficiency find Eternal Life but for that which sums to Necessary All-Sufficiency as the Necessary Being’s Self-Sufficiency?

There we come to that unavoidable Immaterial/Immaterial interface amid love’s Self/Other as it relates to “Contingent-Being / Necessary-Being” and our own acquiescence to God wherein we find “Eternal Life” and that arrives in and by nothing less than God or All Sufficiency Himself timelessly pouring out and the Adamic or Insufficiency Itself timelessly filling.

All the necessary content is there and we find in all accounts – and this is key – that whether we speak of pre or post privation, or whether we speak of with privation or without privation – the Adamic finds himself before that fateful Tree called Life.

If the Cross is 1. mere gesture, then it isn’t 2. All-Sufficiency’s Self-Outpouring. In a world of Time & Physicality, “2” will traverse Time & Physicality to the bitter ends of The Adamic. And nothing less than Incarnation has that *reach*.

Notice the progression:

If love, then Eden. Eden is not Heaven. The fact of the *radical* “Ontic Change” via the “Door” termed “Eternal Life” demonstrates that. Therefore: Incarnation becomes unavoidable regardless of our choice in Eden. Once again we find unavoidable syntax:

 IF in fact it was the case ((as per Ontic-Fact)) that the Edenic Adamic was free to do “otherwise” THEN in fact that “otherwise” cannot sum to “An Option-Without-Being” ((as in a Fake Option)) or we can say that it cannot sum to “Ontic Non-Entity” nor can it sum to a kind of Ontic Noble Lie told by the Necessary Being.

In fact God / Omnipotence cannot create a being that is in fact free to do Non-Entity – or we can say that God cannot create a being that is in fact free to do Non-Being. We cannot equate “IN FACT Free-To-Do-No-Thing” to “IN FACT Free-To-Do-Otherwise”. And we can just agree that the Necessary Being has not told us any sort of Ontic Noble Lie there in the Edenic. ANY epistemic which cannot contain Eden and Eden’s possible worlds has, from the start, a suspicious ontic already in jeopardy. Again there is context in With Or Without The Fall vis-à-vis All Possible Worlds – at http://disq.us/p/1zxdloe

Why Create If Evil Is Possible? What about Eden & Possible Worlds?

What about faulting God for begetting love as such relates to God Creating?  Most of what has come up to this point is looking at Ending Evil vis-à-vis Ending Privation but of course Fall Or No Fall we find the SAME unavoidable interface amid God/Man or amid Necessary-Being/Contingent-Being and that is because Sin Or No Sin we find in Man, quite obviously, that which sums to the Necessary Insufficiency of ANY Contingent Being vis-à-vis its own Self-Existence. Obviously the seamlessness which we find here in the syntax of Fall-Or-No-Fall adds context and reach and so the following are a few items added only for context (…and not to give any full-on argument….) with respect to “The-Necessity-Of-The-Edenic” and so on:

  1. True In All Possible Worlds —PART 1— True Pre-Eden – True In Eden – True In Privation Pre/Post Christ – True Until Wholeness / Heaven – True After – True Always & Alreadywhich is at http://disq.us/p/1zzs59j 
  2. True In All Possible Worlds PART 2— True Pre-Eden – True In Eden – True In Privation Pre/Post Christ – True Until Wholeness / Heaven – True After – True Always & Alreadywhich is at http://disq.us/p/1zzy8ml
  3. The Adamic, The Edenic, Free Will, God’s Will, God’s Decree, Incarnation, and Possible Worlds PART 1— at http://disq.us/p/1mj0mc2
  4. The Adamic, The Edenic, Free Will, God’s Will, God’s Decree, Incarnation, and Possible Worlds PART 2— at http://disq.us/p/1zvghk8
  5. The Adamic, The Edenic, Free Will, God’s Will, God’s Decree, Incarnation, and Possible Worlds PART 3— at http://disq.us/p/1zzsxyp
  6. With Or Without The Fall vis-à-vis All Possible Worlds at http://disq.us/p/1zxdloe
  7. The Question of Causality vis-à-vis Causes of Evil: Did God Create Evil? at http://disq.us/p/1zxdq9v

[…J.L. Schellenberg’s “A New Logical Problem of Evil” is unpacked in “Objective And Irreducible Evil Exists Therefore Objective and Irreducible Good Exists Therefore God Exists” which is at https://metachristianity.com/objective-and-irreducible-evil-exists-therefore-objective-and-irreducible-good-exists-therefore-god-exists/…]

From those links above we have a few brief samples of possible claims that may or may not push through:

A — God created possible worlds vis-à-vis creating the Edenic and therefore God created Evil.

B — God created possible worlds vis-à-vis creating the Edenic and therein God did not Create Evil.

C — Given the Sum of Evil it is the case that God’s Reasons for permitting said Evil are inscrutable, even unintelligible.

D — It is the case that [Gratuitous Evil] Is A Metaphysical Impossibility.

E — Reality’s Blueprint finds Timeless Reciprocity and Ceaseless Self-Giving vis-à-vis Irreducible Being

As we work through those it turns out that the claim, “God’s reasons for allowing evil are inscrutable & unintelligible…” is incoherent and even demonstrably false as all vectors converge within “D”  and “E” in our discovery of the fact that it is the case that Gratuitous Evil is a metaphysical impossibility and, also, as all vectors land in in a full-on contradiction of the the fallacy/error of Occasionalism (…found in “A”….). For example, recall from earlier that the following is NOT quite accurate:

“…..God allows various evils to occur because they will result, ultimately, in a surfeit of goods which outweighs the evils endured. Perhaps the simplest way to put the idea is as follows: no pain, no gain…..”

The reason that is not quite accurate is as follows:

The Greater Good umbrella does not find God allowing [ABC and/or the Possibility of ABC] “….in order to get to….” XYZ. Instead, God allows [ABC and/or the Possibility of ABC] not to gain or to get to some End but, rather, because it is a logical outflow (it is logically necessary) given His Decree of this or that World or Reality (…or etc.) — and it is remarkable how so many can muddy the waters with this concept which is no more complicated than the following:

To Decree “Square v. World X” is to find “Round v. World X” an impossibility (and so on).

Man’s final good, his true felicity, his Terminus or End is, given the Decree of the Imago Dei, nothing less than God Himself and therefore the options/possibilities regarding Man’s Ends are never ultimately between Ends vis-à-vis world-contingent possibilities or counterfactuals outside of the immediate interface of Man/God as per Self/Other — but — instead — all options/possibilities regarding Man’s Ends are always inside of / between one’s Self and God — between Self/Other – and why? Well that is obvious once we realize that the only Ontic Blueprint for Ceaseless Self-Giving streams from the Trinitarian Life.

Specific to Gratuitous Evil there is the earlier discussion in this essay. Recall that the why/how it is impossible given that such requires that we find some part of [All Things] which God’s Hand either does not or else cannot Hold/Use for Good (…see http://disq.us/p/1vc9vwd …).

There again we find the incoherence within the Non-Theist’s claim that the Moral Paradigm of what God counts as Good is somehow Unintelligible and/or Inscrutable. Additionally we must again recall Reality’s Blueprint. In all of this we come upon Reality’s only Blueprint of love’s timeless reciprocity and upon reason and upon the fullness of ontological Means and Ends within the eternal Processions of the Trinitarian Life (God / Trinity / Being Itself ). All of that provides us with the following ontology:

The irreducibly rational just is ontologically seamless with the irreducibly beautiful which just is ontologically seamless with the irreducibly moral which just is ontologically seamless with love’s indestructible self-giving — which is itself seamless with the Divine Mind — which is itself seamless with Infinite Consciousness amid Divine Simplicity – which compels us into a thoroughly Trinitarian Metaphysic – and we are thereby compelled into an Adamic landscape wherein the perfection of Reason just is the perfection of Consciousness, which just is the perfection of Love, which just is the perfection of Being.

Before Closing — That Beautiful Freedom Called Permanence – Once Again

Part 1 of 4: http://disq.us/p/1ne55kr That will open to (…should…scroll if not…) the comment which opens with: Continuing — A Qualification: Addressing a fear which some seem to have with respect to losing Permanence or with respect to losing Irresistible, which, as we’ll see, is unwarranted……

Part 2 of 4: http://disq.us/p/1ne6xjb That will open to (…should…scroll if not…) the comment which opens with: Continuing – Permanence: That beautiful Freedom called Permanence is still to come, up ahead. The syntax of such Freedom and such Permanence houses some, not all, but some, of the syntax of Irresistible but such has less to do with TULIP proper and much more to do with the fact that, on the other side of that radical ontic change which is yet to occur (…in the blink of an eye as Scripture puts it…) we find, well, we find several contours. First, we find…..

Part 3 of 4: http://disq.us/p/1xvfeu6 That will open to (…should…scroll if not…) the comment which opens with: Whence Free Will in Heaven? Whence that beautiful freedom called Permanence? To begin with: A Proposal ≠A Wedding……”

Part 4 of 4: The Simplicity of I-Thee-Wed as per the content of http://disq.us/p/1slxh6k That will open to (…should… Scroll if not…) the comment which begins with: The Simplicity of I Thee Wed [1] Why The Cross? [2] What Is The Minimum Requirement For Salvation? [3] Why Not Create Perfected Man From The Get-Go? All of those source to the same misunderstanding about the nature of what it is that God Decrees when He Decrees “His Own Image”, as in the Imago Dei. As in “Adam”. As in “Mankind”. Many of the…..

Context & Segues & Links

Note: The following links (and earlier links here as well Etc.) are links to comments in Disqus format (for the most part) and therefore should land on a specific comment within a comment section and not at the top of a page. If the latter occurs then A. refresh the page and/or B. simply begin scrolling down as that often triggers the page to jump to the specific target comment and/or C. go to the bottom of any comment (or the page) which shows a “see more” button and click it as that too, like ‘B’, often triggers the page to jump to the specific target comment. So with that said:

Metrics of Pre-Eden vs. Eden vs. Privation vs Perfection:

  1. http://disq.us/p/1ne4r2z
  2. http://disq.us/p/1ne4ujz
  3. http://disq.us/p/1ne55kr
  4. http://disq.us/p/1ne6xjb
  5. http://disq.us/p/1n9dmru
  6. http://disq.us/p/1slxh6k
  7. http://disq.us/p/1goq9gy
  8. http://disq.us/p/1gou9pj
  9. http://disq.us/p/1gp6lkj
  10. http://disq.us/p/1gy65me
  11. http://disq.us/p/1gsltgs
  12. http://disq.us/p/1hbm03p
  13. http://disq.us/p/1xv6v4f
  14. http://disq.us/p/1xvfeu6

Metrics of “The Adamic” in “The Edenic” 

  1. http://disq.us/p/1n9y1rc
  2. http://disq.us/p/1nb8gxs
  3. http://disq.us/p/1ne4r2z
  4. http://disq.us/p/1ne4ujz
  5. http://disq.us/p/1ne55kr
  6. http://disq.us/p/1ne6xjb
  7. http://disq.us/p/1n9rf6h
  8. http://disq.us/p/1n166pv
  9. http://disq.us/p/1m6h46p

Metrics of To-Create and Metrics of To-Not-Create

  1. http://disq.us/p/1hblyts 
  2. http://disq.us/p/1hbm03p
  3. http://disq.us/p/1hbmpdy
  4. http://disq.us/p/1hbnm37
  5. http://disq.us/p/1swp74f
  6. http://disq.us/p/1w4hreq
  7. http://disq.us/p/1hbplub
  8. http://disq.us/p/1dw41zz
  9. http://disq.us/p/1vcbs4m

Following Through:

  1. http://disq.us/p/1n88dze which carries forward to
  2. http://disq.us/p/1n9dmru which carries forward to
  3. http://disq.us/p/1n9feuh which carries forward to
  4. http://disq.us/p/1n9fawe which carries forward to
  5. http://disq.us/p/1n9rf6h which carries forward to
  6. http://disq.us/p/1mj0mc2 which carries forward to
  7. http://disq.us/p/1zvghk8

 

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More Generally Speaking…

Scripture’s© Singular® Metanarrative© & Its Thematic® Lines©

Divine Command Theory Collapses Into A Metaphysical Absurdity at https://metachristianity.com/divine-command-theory-collapses-into-a-metaphysical-absurdity/

Amalekites? Conquest? Sinai? Condone? Moral Excellence? Means & Ends? at http://disq.us/p/1z50shs with a few items for context at http://disq.us/p/1z5th9q

“Kill All That Breathes”?? “Divine Command Theory”??  at http://disq.us/p/1z5vlo5

For the Half-Narrative http://disq.us/p/1lrhj88and http://disq.us/p/1wq4x70

For the Full-Narrative http://disq.us/p/1knyg3u

Prototypical John Newton v. Everyman at http://disq.us/p/1kgunj1and also at http://disq.us/p/1z7vifq

For the Non-Theist who tries so hard to agree at http://disq.us/p/1kj2q0b

“God Ought End Evil?” Ending Evil? Ending Privation?” at http://disq.us/p/1y85jdc

The Four Overlapping Circles of Racism at http://disq.us/p/1z71xpg

Pastor Martin Luther King Jr. on Being, Non-Being, & The Summum BonumOf Life at http://disq.us/p/1z49fop

Shouting “Disagreement Exists!” Is Not An “Argument” at http://disq.us/p/1z72rat

War is evil? Well yes. And? It’s ugly and on **all** fronts comes up short of The Good? Well yes. And? You’re correct. But agreeing with Scripture’s definitions like that isn’t enough. One has to show that one has one’s OWN Non-Theistic rational justifications for holding such a belief. But you don’t seem to. By that we mean as per a. http://disq.us/p/1y84cou and also as per b. http://disq.us/p/1wq43ok and also as per c. http://disq.us/p/1w6epee and (again) for the Non-Theist who tries so hard to agree http://disq.us/p/1kj2q0b

Israelite Conquest?

  1. http://disq.us/p/1tapp70 
  2. http://disq.us/p/1ti6tts
  3. http://disq.us/p/1t61aef
  4. http://disq.us/p/1t61uz6
  5. http://disq.us/p/1t6929l
  6. http://disq.us/p/1t69vjj

Old Testament Wars? at http://disq.us/p/1u7o9ku

“What does that verse **SAY**??” at http://disq.us/p/1vepymf

Canaanite (Gentile) and Jew and Crumbs and Dogs Eating Crumbs and Basic Reading Comprehension at http://disq.us/p/1uxge1w

Ancient Israel & War & Syntax & Sinai & Basic Reading Comprehension at http://disq.us/p/1vec6vg

Tolerance & Society? at http://disq.us/p/1thty95

Sinai and looking for Moral Excellence:

a. http://disq.us/p/1tgseh0
b. http://disq.us/p/1tgriz7

Leviticus 12 & Sin Offering For Childbirth? Unclean Woman? at http://disq.us/p/1wutrpn

Male, Female, Egalitarianism, Misogyny, Slavery, Metanarrative, Subnarrative, Bias, Views, & Ontic Definitions at http://disq.us/p/1u5ej8p

Moral Facts? Non-Theism? To be clear it is NOT Non-Theists who cannot / do not find Moral Facts but rather it is their own Non-Theism which cannot find Moral Facts WRT Racism Or Anything Else. How so? Well first we have 3 Narratives as per 1. http://disq.us/p/1mxt9q0 and 2. http://disq.us/p/1mxstu8  and 3. http://disq.us/p/1mxto3s

And secondly we have still more content as per a. http://disq.us/p/1z61v1f and b. http://disq.us/p/1wq43ok and c. http://disq.us/p/1y84cou  and d. http://disq.us/p/1w6epee  and e. http://disq.us/p/1w3l3fn  and f. http://disq.us/p/1titjw1  and g. http://disq.us/p/1j5ioqb  and h. http://disq.us/p/1sozwi7  and i. http://disq.us/p/1u9rudl

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