Why Create If Possible Evil – Metrics of To-Create – Metrics of To-Not-Create

By which metrics will we Ask/Answer the question of Why Create If Evil Is Possible? By love’s metrics? Well yes – of course. But then how does the Critic rationally damn love’s begetting of love EITHER within The Trinitarian Life (…God Not-Creating….) OR within the Divine Decree of the Imago Dei (…God Creating…)?

Is it Good and is it Logical and does it sum to the Valuing-Of-Love on our part if we fault God for begetting love vis-à-vis the Trinitarian Life wherein we discover Timeless Reciprocity vis-à-vis Ceaseless Self-Giving with respect to Being in totum? How is it that one can rationally claim (there) that “God Is Un-Loving? Just the same if we turn it 180 degrees: Is it Good and is it Logical and does it sum to the Valuing-Of-Love on our part if we fault God for begetting love in the Creative Act vis-à-vis the Decree of the Imago Dei?

Note that this brief essay is in parts (…there are edits…) an excerpt from the last half or third of  “The Divine Command Theory Collapses Into A Metaphysical Absurdity” which is at https://metachristianity.com/divine-command-theory-collapses-into-a-metaphysical-absurdity/ and that is why there is (here) the phraseology of “Our Final Section…..” and so on.

Before looking into the Metrics of Pre-Eden & Eden & Privation & Perfection, it is helpful to clear up a fairly common misunderstanding:

The Fallacy Of The-Greater-Good Theodicy

There is NO such thing as The Greater-Good “thing” for anyone to appeal to. See the following two items:

http://disq.us/p/1xvfeu6

http://disq.us/p/1xv6v4f

In fact there is only one Singularity to appeal to, and that is the Decree of the Imago Dei and what (thereby) love necessarily entails and necessarily leaves as impossible. Recall the following observation:

[Death] is the #1 Killer in the World. Therefore [Eternal Life] and nothing less is the #1 dissolution of our #1 problem. In fact, BUT FOR [Eternal Life] there is no Ontic Resolution of the #1 killer in the World.

So we must ask if our Non-Theist friends are demanding eternal unending life and wholeness? Perhaps even void of Suffering? If so then they’ve only two options, none of which help them:

If they are NOT asking for such an End then they are stopping short of coherence for suffering must enter somewhere and finds only its own eternally open-ended contradiction – leaving their claims finally fallacious. Note that there is no cryptic mystery here as of course we all still “recognize” the Christian’s terms vis-à-vis the moral terms in play here.

If they ARE demanding such an end of suffering then again they are demanding what Non-Theism can never give them vis-à-vis the Final Good as per Eternal Life as per Unending Wholeness…. and so on.

So again we ask, what does “Ending Evil” necessarily “look like”? The following “To Create / Not-Create” discussion is (…in part…) a brief observation as per a. http://disq.us/p/1xv6v4f and b.http://disq.us/p/1slxh6k and c. http://disq.us/p/1xr6yav

Our Final Section: To Create? To Not Create? Part 1:

There’s more further down, but, for now we can simply ask this:

A — By which metrics will we Ask/Answer that question? Love’s metrics? Well yes. Of course. But then how does one rationally damn love’s begetting of love either within The Trinitarian Life (…God Not-Creating….) or within the Divine Decree of the Imago Dei (…God Creating…)?

B — Is it Good and Logical and Valuing-Of-Love on our part if we fault God for begetting love vis-à-vis the Trinitarian Life wherein we discover Timeless Reciprocity vis-à-vis Ceaseless Self-Giving with respect to Being in totum? How is it that one can rationally claim (there) that “God Is Un-Loving?

C — Is it Good and Logical and Valuing-Of-Love on our part if we fault God for begetting love in the Creative Act vis-à-vis the Decree of the Imago Dei?

Again those questions are as per a. http://disq.us/p/1xv6v4f and b. http://disq.us/p/1slxh6k and c. http://disq.us/p/1xr6yav

Why Not Heaven / Perfection Of Being From The Get-Go?

A handful of key assumptions are missed in that question. The syntax of A. Groom and B. (Potential) Bride and C. (His) Proposal and D. (Her) Reply and E. (Their) Wedding and F. (Ontic) Births and G. (Metaphysical) Lucidity all press in upon us here such that we find the following:

“IF” God should Decree and fashion the Imago Dei“THEN” there can be no such reality as the creation of the “freely-already-married” and, therein, we begin to discover that His love’s Proposals are not the same (in content/yield) as her Replies and Replies are not the same (in content/yield) as Weddings, and, for all the same reasons, Weddings are not the same (in content/yield) as Gestations, and, also, Gestations are not the same (in content/yield) as Birth which themselves are not the same (in content/yield) as New Worlds as such relates to the Door into God’s Ideal, a Door which faces outward from both within Eden and from within Privation.

In fact we are carried into nothing less than both Groom/Bride – and – Proposal/Reply as the Simplicity of I-Thee-Wed presses in. For us to demand unending wholeness & no suffering is rational as both are Good and both sum to The Whole but IF we mean to say that God can Create such from the get-go by creating round squares akin to “The Already Freely Married” such that A. All-Things-Adamic are found bypassing B. All-Things-Edenic THEN we are offering and/or asking for a mere absurdity, a round-square given the necessary contours of love amid self/other. Recall the necessary distinctions amid Proposal / Reply / Wedding and the necessary metaphysical differences both in content and in yield. Recall again:

[Death] is the #1 Killer in the World. Therefore [Eternal Life] and nothing less is the #1 dissolution of our #1 problem. In fact, BUT FOR [Eternal Life] there is no Ontic Resolution of the #1 killer in the World.

Again recall that to demand unending wholeness? No suffering? Well again yes but then the Metric is nothing less than Eternal Life and, therefore, our hand is forced and Non-Theism becomes its own contradiction even as the Christian Metaphysic retains lucidity.

Our Final Section: To Create? To Not Create? Part 2:

Scripture lacks the provision of logical certainty with respect to Eternal Conscious Torment vs. Universalism vs. Conditional Immortality. It is here where the Non-Theist must not over-reach as we discover Scripture’s lack of logical compulsion into logical certainty there.  In fact we find obvious and even necessary reasons for that ambiguity (see upcoming links), one of which is the Fallacy of Necessity and/or Goodness in any sort of Threat-Full-Stop paradigm or in any body of premises dealing with the interface of God/Man (.…that shows up with straw-men akin to “…but the Bible is all about THREATS….!” and so on….).

But What About Hell? Where love itself is concerned and where the highest ethic is concerned, such being self-giving love, it is the Non-Theist’s painfully necessary metaphysical reality that all his own explanatory termini are constituted of tediously complex self-negations amid ultimately fictitious “As-If’s” ending in the pains of metaphysical elimination immersed within autohypnosis wrapped up inside of Noble Lies and as such factually fail to do the necessary “ontic-work”. With respect to (…actual, metaphysical, cosmic, ultimate…); fairness, and justice, and injustice, there are very important differences of course (…and that work will have to be done further downstream…), but, the only players with ANY possible claim to rational (…actual, metaphysical, cosmic, ultimate…) resolution of evil, of injustice, of unfairness, are:

A — Hell defined as ECT (hence Christianity)
B — Universalism (hence Christianity)
C — Conditional Immortality (hence Christianity)
D — Hinduism (not Spinoza’s pantheism for many reasons, and not Buddhism’s equivocation upon Metaphysical Naturalism)

To often there is a misdirection of concern describing a kind of either/or which isn’t coherent. Either Pity or Indifference wrt the lost. Either Evil-Indifference or Evil-Joy at the Good of the Many should my beloved refuse All-Sufficiency.

There’s several problems with that approach the first of which is that it is an obviously false dichotomy. Second is the fact that its own demands for Justice and Joy and Goodness betray Non-Theism as we just saw with respect to any full-on Ontic Closure as we find a very short list of viable players – as in – A. Hell defined as ECT (Eternal Conscious Torment) (hence Christianity) or else B. Universalism (hence Christianity) or else C. Conditional Immortality (hence Christianity) or else D. Hinduism (not Spinoza’s pantheism for many reasons, and not Buddhism’s equivocation upon Metaphysical Naturalism).

There are no other players on the stage with the sort of currency required here (…see “Hell, Cosmic Fairness, & The Ethic of Love” – at https://metachristianity.com/heaven-hell-cosmic-fairness-ethic-love/ …).

The third problem is an extension of the second, namely that if ECT troubles us (…and it should, in one sense because we may be one of those who think it true or – in another sense because we may be one of those who think it false and yet reject Non-Theism’s rock-bottom of Cosmic Indifference…) and if we value Cosmic Fairness and Goodness and so on that is obviously all fine and even as it should be but we are still left with only four viable options wrt available vectors and all available vectors are outside of Non-Theism (certainly) and inside of Christianity (certainly) and/or Hinduism (possibly).

That carries forward into 2000 years of internal dialogue within Christendom with respect to the Trio of ECT vs. Universalism vs. Conditional Immortality and, then, quite seamlessly, to the following:

“To demand of the loveless and the self-imprisioned that they should be allowed to blackmail the universe: that till they consent to be happy (on their own terms) no one else shall taste joy: that theirs should be the final power; that Hell should be able to veto Heaven…Either the day must come when joy prevails and all the makers of misery are no longer able to infect it: or else for ever and ever the makers of misery can destroy in others the happiness they reject for themselves. I know it has a grand sound to say ye’ll accept no salvation which leaves one creature in the dark outside. But watch the sophistry or ye’ll make a Dog in the Manger the tyrant of the universe.” (…by C.S. Lewis, The Great Divorce…)

I often ask the Non-Theist which of the following vectors he is going to embrace as he trades away his now obviously immoral/amoral Non-Theism when discussing this topic:

A — Hell defined as ECT (hence Christianity)
B — Universalism (hence Christianity)
C — Conditional Immortality (hence Christianity)
D — Hinduism (not Spinoza’s pantheism for many reasons, and not Buddhism’s equivocation upon Metaphysical Naturalism)

The reply is typically a refusal to embrace the very thing they are opining about with respect to what ought be present. It’s quite peculiar.

Again recall that it is the case that Scripture lacks the provision of logical certainty with respect to Eternal Conscious Torment vs. Universalism vs. Conditional Immortality. It is here where the Non-Theist must not over-reach as we discover Scripture’s lack of logical compulsion into logical certainty there.  In fact we find obvious and even necessary reasons for that ambiguity — as per 1. http://disq.us/p/1z00vz7 and 2. http://disq.us/p/1xvkoyr and 3. http://disq.us/p/1yd9lxj and 4. http://disq.us/p/1z7j4cr and 5.  http://disq.us/p/1z06rze and 6.  http://disq.us/p/1z4bl75 and 7. http://disq.us/p/1z4ce3b and 8. https://www.metachristianity.com/heaven-hell-cosmic-fairness-ethic-love/

Our Final Section: To Create? To Not Create? Part 3:

Why Create if Evil is possible? What about Eden & Possible Worlds? What about faulting God for begetting love as such relates to God Creating?  Most of what has come up to this point is looking at Ending Evil vis-à-vis Ending Privation but of course Fall Or No Fall we find the SAME unavoidable interface amid God/Man or amid Necessary-Being/Contingent-Being and that is because Sin Or No Sin we find in Man, quite obviously, that which sums to the Necessary Insufficiency of ANY Contingent Being vis-à-vis its own Self-Existence. Obviously the seamlessness which we find here in the syntax of Fall-Or-No-Fall adds context and reach and so the following are a few items added only for context (…and not to give any full-on argument….) with respect to “The-Necessity-Of-The-Edenic” and so on:

True In All Possible Worlds —PART 1— True Pre-Eden – True In Eden – True In Privation Pre/Post Christ – True Until Wholeness / Heaven – True After – True Always & Alreadywhich is at http://disq.us/p/1zzs59j 

True In All Possible Worlds PART 2— True Pre-Eden – True In Eden – True In Privation Pre/Post Christ – True Until Wholeness / Heaven – True After – True Always & Alreadywhich is at http://disq.us/p/1zzy8ml

The Adamic, The Edenic, Free Will, God’s Will, God’s Decree, Incarnation, and Possible Worlds PART 1— at http://disq.us/p/1mj0mc2

The Adamic, The Edenic, Free Will, God’s Will, God’s Decree, Incarnation, and Possible Worlds PART 2— at http://disq.us/p/1zvghk8

The Adamic, The Edenic, Free Will, God’s Will, God’s Decree, Incarnation, and Possible Worlds PART 3— at http://disq.us/p/1zzsxyp

With Or Without The Fall vis-à-vis All Possible Worlds at http://disq.us/p/1zxdloe

The Question of Causality vis-à-vis Causes of Evil: Did God Create Evil? at http://disq.us/p/1zxdq9v

Our Final Section: To Create? To Not Create? Part 4:

From those links above we have a few brief samples of four possible claims:

A — God created possible worlds vis-à-vis creating the Edenic and therefore God created Evil.

B — God created possible worlds vis-à-vis creating the Edenic and therein God did not Create Evil.

C — Given the Sum of Evil it is the case that God’s Reasons for permitting said Evil are inscrutable, even unintelligible.

D — It is the case that [Gratuitous Evil] Is A Metaphysical Impossibility.

As we work through those it turns out that the claim, “God’s reasons for allowing evil are inscrutable & unintelligible…” is incoherent and even demonstrably false as all vectors converge within “D” in our discovery of the fact that it is the case that Gratuitous Evil is a metaphysical impossibility and, also, as all vectors land in in a full-on contradiction of the the error of Occasionalism (…found in “A”….). For example, the following is NOT quite accurate:

“…..God allows various evils to occur because they will result, ultimately, in a surfeit of goods which outweighs the evils endured. Perhaps the simplest way to put the idea is as follows: no pain, no gain…..”

The reason that is not quite accurate is as follows:

The Greater Good umbrella does not find God allowing [ABC and/or the Possibility of ABC] “….in order to get to….” XYZ. Instead, God allows [ABC and/or the Possibility of ABC] not to gain or to get to some End but, rather, because it is a logical outflow (it is logically necessary) given His Decree of this or that World or Reality (…or etc.) — and it is remarkable how so many can muddy the waters with this concept which is no more complicated than the following:

To Decree “Square v. World X” is to find “Round v. World X” an impossibility (and so on).

Man’s final good, his true felicity, his Terminus or End is, given the Decree of the Imago Dei, nothing less than God Himself and therefore the options/possibilities regarding Man’s Ends are never ultimately between Ends vis-à-vis world-contingent possibilities or counterfactuals outside of the immediate interface of Man/God as per Self/Other — but — instead — all options/possibilities regarding Man’s Ends are always inside of / between one’s Self and God — between Self/Other – and why? Well that is obvious once we realize that the only Ontic Blueprint for Ceaseless Self-Giving streams from the Trinitarian Life.

Specific to Gratuitous Evil there is the why/how it is impossible given that such requires that we find some part of [All Things] which God’s Hand either does not or else cannot Hold/Use for Good (…see http://disq.us/p/1vc9vwd …).

There again we find the incoherence within the Non-Theist’s claim that the Moral Paradigm of what God counts as Good is somehow Unintelligible and/or Inscrutable. In all of this we come upon reality’s only Blueprint of love’s timeless reciprocity and upon reason and upon the fullness of ontic-means and ontic-ends as the eternal Processions of the Trinitarian Life (God / Trinity / Being Itself ) provide us with the following ontology:

The irreducibly rational just is ontologically seamless with the irreducibly beautiful which just is ontologically seamless with the irreducibly moral which just is ontologically seamless with love’s indestructible self-giving — which is itself seamless with the Divine Mind — which is itself seamless with Infinite Consciousness amid Divine Simplicity – which compels us into a thoroughly Trinitarian Metaphysic – and we are thereby compelled into an Adamic landscape wherein the perfection of Reason just is the perfection of Consciousness, which just is the perfection of Love, which just is the perfection of Being.

Note: The following links (and earlier links here as well Etc.) are links to comments in Disqus format (for the most part) and therefore should land on a specific comment within a comment section and not at the top of a page. If the latter occurs then A. refresh the page and/or B. simply begin scrolling down as that often triggers the page to jump to the specific target comment and/or C. go to the bottom of any comment (or the page) which shows a “see more” button and click it as that too, like ‘B’, often triggers the page to jump to the specific target comment. So with that said:

Metrics of Pre-Eden vs. Eden vs. Privation vs Perfection:

  1. http://disq.us/p/1ne4r2z
  2. http://disq.us/p/1ne4ujz
  3. http://disq.us/p/1ne55kr
  4. http://disq.us/p/1ne6xjb
  5. http://disq.us/p/1n9dmru
  6. http://disq.us/p/1slxh6k
  7. http://disq.us/p/1goq9gy
  8. http://disq.us/p/1gou9pj
  9. http://disq.us/p/1gp6lkj
  10. http://disq.us/p/1gy65me
  11. http://disq.us/p/1gsltgs
  12. http://disq.us/p/1hbm03p
  13. http://disq.us/p/1xv6v4f
  14. http://disq.us/p/1xvfeu6

Metrics of “The Adamic” in “The Edenic” 

  1. http://disq.us/p/1n9y1rc
  2. http://disq.us/p/1nb8gxs
  3. http://disq.us/p/1ne4r2z
  4. http://disq.us/p/1ne4ujz
  5. http://disq.us/p/1ne55kr
  6. http://disq.us/p/1ne6xjb
  7. http://disq.us/p/1n9rf6h
  8. http://disq.us/p/1n166pv
  9. http://disq.us/p/1m6h46p

Metrics of To-Create and Metrics of To-Not-Create

  1. http://disq.us/p/1hblyts 
  2. http://disq.us/p/1hbm03p
  3. http://disq.us/p/1hbmpdy
  4. http://disq.us/p/1hbnm37
  5. http://disq.us/p/1swp74f
  6. http://disq.us/p/1w4hreq
  7. http://disq.us/p/1hbplub
  8. http://disq.us/p/1dw41zz
  9. http://disq.us/p/1vcbs4m

Following Through:

  1. http://disq.us/p/1n88dze which carries forward to
  2. http://disq.us/p/1n9dmru which carries forward to
  3. http://disq.us/p/1n9feuh which carries forward to
  4. http://disq.us/p/1n9fawe which carries forward to
  5. http://disq.us/p/1n9rf6h which carries forward to
  6. http://disq.us/p/1mj0mc2

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More Generally Speaking:

Scripture’s© Singular® Metanarrative© & Its Thematic® Lines©

Divine Command Theory Collapses Into A Metaphysical Absurdity at https://metachristianity.com/divine-command-theory-collapses-into-a-metaphysical-absurdity/

Amalekites? Conquest? Sinai? Condone? Moral Excellence? Means & Ends? at http://disq.us/p/1z50shs with a few items for context at http://disq.us/p/1z5th9q

“Kill All That Breathes”?? “Divine Command Theory”??  at http://disq.us/p/1z5vlo5

For the Half-Narrative http://disq.us/p/1lrhj88and http://disq.us/p/1wq4x70

For the Full-Narrative http://disq.us/p/1knyg3u

Prototypical John Newton v. Everyman at http://disq.us/p/1kgunj1and also at http://disq.us/p/1z7vifq

For the Non-Theist who tries so hard to agree at http://disq.us/p/1kj2q0b

“God Ought End Evil?” Ending Evil? Ending Privation?” at http://disq.us/p/1y85jdc

The Four Overlapping Circles of Racism at http://disq.us/p/1z71xpg

Pastor Martin Luther King Jr. on Being, Non-Being, & The Summum BonumOf Life at http://disq.us/p/1z49fop

Shouting “Disagreement Exists!” Is Not An “Argument” at http://disq.us/p/1z72rat

War is evil? Well yes. And? It’s ugly and on **all** fronts comes up short of The Good? Well yes. And? You’re correct. But agreeing with Scripture’s definitions like that isn’t enough. One has to show that one has one’s OWN Non-Theistic rational justifications for holding such a belief. But you don’t seem to. By that we mean as per a. http://disq.us/p/1y84cou and also as per b. http://disq.us/p/1wq43ok and also as per c. http://disq.us/p/1w6epee and (again) for the Non-Theist who tries so hard to agree http://disq.us/p/1kj2q0b

Israelite Conquest?

  1. http://disq.us/p/1tapp70 
  2. http://disq.us/p/1ti6tts
  3. http://disq.us/p/1t61aef
  4. http://disq.us/p/1t61uz6
  5. http://disq.us/p/1t6929l
  6. http://disq.us/p/1t69vjj

Old Testament Wars? at http://disq.us/p/1u7o9ku

“What does that verse **SAY**??” at http://disq.us/p/1vepymf

Canaanite (Gentile) and Jew and Crumbs and Dogs Eating Crumbs and Basic Reading Comprehension at http://disq.us/p/1uxge1w

Ancient Israel & War & Syntax & Sinai & Basic Reading Comprehension at http://disq.us/p/1vec6vg

Tolerance & Society? at http://disq.us/p/1thty95

Sinai and looking for Moral Excellence:

a. http://disq.us/p/1tgseh0
b. http://disq.us/p/1tgriz7

Leviticus 12 & Sin Offering For Childbirth? Unclean Woman? at http://disq.us/p/1wutrpn

Male, Female, Egalitarianism, Misogyny, Slavery, Metanarrative, Subnarrative, Bias, Views, & Ontic Definitions at http://disq.us/p/1u5ej8p

Moral Facts? Non-Theism? To be clear it is NOT Non-Theists who cannot / do not find Moral Facts but rather it is their own Non-Theism which cannot find Moral Facts WRT Racism Or Anything Else. How so? Well first we have 3 Narratives as per 1. http://disq.us/p/1mxt9q0 and 2. http://disq.us/p/1mxstu8  and 3. http://disq.us/p/1mxto3s

And secondly we have still more content as per a. http://disq.us/p/1z61v1f and b. http://disq.us/p/1wq43ok and c. http://disq.us/p/1y84cou  and d. http://disq.us/p/1w6epee  and e. http://disq.us/p/1w3l3fn  and f. http://disq.us/p/1titjw1  and g. http://disq.us/p/1j5ioqb  and h. http://disq.us/p/1sozwi7  and i. http://disq.us/p/1u9rudl

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