Deficiency Of Being, Old Testament Violence, The Metaphysic of Privation, And Christ Crucified

Part 1 of 3

Old Testament violence brings out odd lines in the proverbial sand.  Some Christians ((and most narratives of Non-Theistic Critics)) construct a metaphysic as if God draws lines at Babies or at Women or at Non-Combatants rather than at All Human Beings All The Time in All Possible (Adamic) Worlds. For some others it is the case that “brutally bashing” or “killing” Adult Males “in war” ((…or whatever Sails the latest Normative Winds happen to be filling…)) is somehow found under the umbrella of “The” “Good/Beautiful/Whole/Ideal” in these Moral Lines that God supposedly “Moves In / Affirms / Likes / Calls His Eternal Ideal” but, then, this same group of Christians ((not uncommon of course)) reaches up into “thin-air” and pulls down a second “umbrella” for more “brutally bashing” or “killing” at Women and at Children and at Babies and we are told that this “second” “umbrella” is somehow “different” than the FIRST Umbrella. The FIRST umbrella (we’re told) was of “The” “Good/Beautiful/Whole/Ideal” while this SECOND Umbrella is (we’re told) of “The” “Morally Bad/Ugly/Lacking/Non-Ideal” and so this second umbrella has finally reached (apparently) the level of “Offensive” vis-à-vis our own frail and mutable world-contingent Moral Sentiments.

Even more mysterious, theologically speaking, is the following:  When it comes to O.T. Judgement and Judgment in general we have these Umbrellas which are self-contradicting when we navigate the following question:

IS Christ / WAS Christ (Golgotha/Cross) in fact *necessary* to avoid the equivalent “bad outcome” ((Judgment // Final Loss of ALL things Adamic)) with respect to Judgements and the ontological Ends of Man’s Privation and the ontological Ends of Days and the Ends of Cities and Nations and the Ends of Worlds upon Worlds – literally?   Had Christ NOT pressed through vis-à-vis Cross/Golgotha then what about all of those “NON-COMBATANTS & BABIES” in the “O.T. Judgment and/or Wars”? Are all of those human beings NOT a swath of “All Things Adamic”?  Had Christ NOT pressed through would all of those human beings NOT be under the Umbrella of “Judgment” and “Final Loss”?  WHAT are we really distinguishing when we press upon “OT War” and “Christ” and “Judgement” and “All Things Adamic”?

Can our Maps (our Umbrellas) here retain coherence through the Landscape of Pre-Eden through to Eden through to Sinai through to Christ through to Eternal Life? Recall that the Physical Body does not Begin/End/Define “Life”. Physicalism fails for many reasons and we must be careful not to equate the Physical Body to the Whole Person as we unfold our Maps from Pre-Eden to Eden to Sinai to Christ to Eternal Life. Is there a difference between Judging/Ending ANY life of ANY age of ANY sex in Israel or in Canaan and Judging/Ending AN ENTIRE WORLD? One more time: Had Christ NOT pressed through is it the case that all of those human beings would NOT be under the Umbrella of “Judgment” and “Final Loss”?  WHAT are we really distinguishing when we press upon “OT War” and “Christ” and “Judgement” and “All Things Adamic”?

Another Catch or Nuance or Glitch: At bottom it is often “physical painlessness” that we need to see in order for our Moral Conscience to tolerate God as the Beginning and End of our Being, to tolerate God in Judging/Ending/Taking All-Things at every level of “reality” — from the level of the Individual to the Household to the City to the Nation to the Nations to the WORLD to ALL WORLDS.  Notice what we just did: God can be “Being Itself” but only “If Physicalism” is the beginning and end of our Moral Map.

Now let’s take that further and see if the Cross of Christ is forfeited:

Akin to Enoch and Elijah ((some say eventually the Second Coming and/or New Creation etc.)) being “taken” but without traversing physical death there is something in us that intuits or that “is willing to tolerate God’s Judgement” if it takes that form such that the “Painless Death Of Non-Combatants In The O.T” is where the line is for this group of Christians and Non-Theistic Critics.  Our intuition there is not wrong. It’s just incomplete. Why? Because Death *is* an Enemy and Death *is* something which God will *end*/*destroy*.

In fact:

[Death] is the #1 Killer in the World.

Therefore Eternal Life — *and* *nothing* *less* — is the #1 Dissolution of our #1 Problem.

IN FACT — BUT FOR Eternal Life there is no Ontic Resolution ((Closure)) of the #1 Killer in the World.

There is more on that brief syllogism in Part 3 but in the meantime, continuing here: Scripture defines Suffering and Pain as Evil ((Privation, A Lack of Good, and so on)) but notice the problem: we still have two umbrellas and, so, we are STILL okay with “brutally bashing” “Adult Male” “Combatants” as somehow part of “The” “Good/Beautiful/Whole/Ideal” and, so, with our Two Contradictory Umbrellas we are somehow okay with one group of Human Beings outside of Painless Deaths and/or outside of the archetype of Enoch and Elijah ((some say eventually the Second Coming and/or New Creation etc.)) because that group of Bashing is somehow part of “The” “Good/Beautiful/Whole/Ideal”. Keep reading:

Notice where our approval of War/Bashing/Judgment/Etc. for SOME Human Beings but not OTHER Human Beings places the Cross of Christ.  In this odd Metaphysic there is Proper Judgement after all ((Adult Males, Combatants)) and it is upon those Souls – upon some Human Beings after all – and therefore for THAT “Group” of Souls ((Adult Males, Combatants)) the Out-Pouring of Christ brings mere Redundancy after all – for some Human Beings after all – and – so – notice – we have ended up with a disjointed (incoherent) set of ontological metrics.

Idolatry’s Key: There are four modes or “Maps” by which we displace Christ off of His Throne and reduce the Cross to Unnecessary and transform Christ to mere Redundancy:

(A1) We Approve of All Judgement/Etc. in the OT as The Beautiful/Good/Whole/The-Ideal.

(A2) We say OT Sinai/Law/Judgment is The Good/Lovely/Whole/The Ideal ((hence we are equating it to Christ/Cross)).

(B1) We Approve of SOME Judgment in the OT as The Beautiful/Good/Whole/Ideal AND ALSO we find SOME Judgement as The Bad/Evil/Non-Ideal.

(B2) We say we don’t need Law/Sinai/Judgement AT ALL / EVER ((hence we obviously don’t need Christ/Cross either)).

None of those are coherent. All expunge Christ. All define Brutally Bashing and/or War/Etc. of SOME Human Beings as “The” “Good/Beautiful/Lovely/The-Ideal”. All make Christ/Cross either Unnecessary or else Redundant for SOME Human Beings.

In other words, they all sum to Idolatry. Notice that the typical arguments find some Christians and Non-Theistic Critics in, say, A1/A2 and the second group of Christians and Non-Theistic Critics in B1/B2 and they are typically fussing against one another. Notice that MOST “fussing” between Pro-Folks/Con-Folks is in that form of “A vs. B” there and so ends up incoherent and disjointed because both are guilty of affirming a Metaphysical Map which they both insist the other needs to repent of and/or correct. That is because they are both in the business of finding something Good/Beautiful/Lovely/The-Ideal inside of what God||Scripture clearly defines as Privation ((Evil, A Lack of Good)).

Notice still more disjointed “A vs. B” postures in the following: Badly Bashing and/or War/Etc. can be part of “The” “Good/Beautiful/Whole/Ideal” but NOT IF it is found in motion among All-Ages and NOT IF it is found in motion regarding All-Of-Nation-X. We have to follow through because we are approaching the same Maps in “Genocide” which in the end (in most forms) reduce to the horrifically immoral maps of the B1/B2 batch of maps which in fact condones SOME “brutally bashing/etc.” for SOME Human Beings as “The” “Good/Beautiful/Lovely/The-Ideal”. Some Christians ((and most narratives of Non-Theistic Critics)) construct a metaphysic as if God draws lines at Babies or at Women or at Non-Combatants or at Nations or at Tribes rather than at All Human Beings All The Time in All Possible (Adamic) Worlds.

Our Map of “All Things Adamic” must not forfeit bits and parts as we move from Pre-Eden into Eden into Privation into Sinai into Christ into Eternal Life.

One more time:

Our Map of “All Things Adamic” must not forfeit bits and parts as we move from Pre-Eden into Eden into Privation into Sinai into Christ into Eternal Life.

Our map must have room for a Trio, namely for Judgement and for The Adamic’s Pathology/Privation/Culpability and for Christ/All-Sufficiency. A rather long sentence about that Trio is as follows:

Scripture defines Sinai as the Ministry of Death wholly unable to deliver the Means to Moral Excellence nor the Ends of Moral Excellence and, then, we ALSO know that EVEN GIVEN that fact if we ever expunge Judgement from the O.T. we ALSO expunge the Necessity of Christ from our Metaphysic.

IF we “get rid of all OT Judgement” we get rid of Christ – BUT WAIT! Don’t we Map Christ as The Good/Lovely/Whole/The-Ideal? Yes, we do. But isn’t Mapping All Judgement in the OT as The Beautiful/Good/Whole/The-Ideal what forces us into Idolatry by making Christ merely Redundant? Yes. When we see OT Judgment and War and our lives ending what are we seeing? Is Sinai and all of that O.T “stuff” the same as the Cross? No. If Christ is necessary, and He is necessary, well then what of “All Things Adamic”? We have to keep going into the following:

Challenge: How is Judgment different than Judgment? That’s not a Typo. Does Judgement in the body vs. Judgment out of the body have different “Means”? Different “Ends”? For Adults vs. Babies? Of course not. In All Possible Adamic Worlds the Means/Ends of the Perfection of Being ((…meaning of Man’s Being, into/unto Man’s final felicity and true good…)) are the same whether we are moving exiting Eden into Eternal Life or whether we are exiting Privation into Eternal Life.

The Edenic is no different than Privation when we speak of Man’s/Adam’s full and final Need to Drink of All-Sufficiency and of All-Sufficiency’s Own Self-Outpouring as the full and final Means/Solution by which the Ends of Man’s Wholeness are in fact actualized ((Perfection of Man’s Being / Moral Excellence / The-Ideal)). But we (Adam in Eden) did not move from The Edenic into Eternal Life. Instead we moved from The Edenic into Privation, and, so, while the Means/Ends are unchanged the location and nature of application do change. And, so, from within privation, briefly recall the following:

Idolatry’s Key: There are four modes or “Maps” by which we displace Christ off of His Throne and reduce the Cross to Unnecessary and transform Christ to mere Redundancy:

(A1) We Approve of All Judgement/Etc. in the OT as The Beautiful/Good/Whole/The-Ideal.

(A2) We say OT Sinai/Law/Judgment is The Good/Lovely/Whole/The Ideal ((hence we are equating it to Christ/Cross)).

(B1) We Approve of SOME Judgment in the OT as The Beautiful/Good/Whole/Ideal AND ALSO we find SOME Judgement as The Bad/Evil/Non-Ideal.

(B2) We say we don’t need Law/Sinai/Judgement AT ALL / EVER ((hence we obviously don’t need Christ/Cross either)).

Surpassing A1A2 / B1B2 And Leaving Them Behind:

There is a Third Option ((C1/C2 and so on to continue the same analogy)) to escape those Errors of Idolatry and to achieve Coherence/Lucidity/Moral Closure but first recall in those first two ((A1A2 and B1B2)) as already described, Christ is found to be either Unnecessary or else Redundant ((see previous discussion)). Also recall that in both of those ((both A1/A2 and B1/B1)) we find a horrific moral landscape in which SOME Bashing of SOME Human Beings (Adult Males??)  (Combatants??) is supposedly part of “The” “Good/Beautiful/Whole/The-Ideal” and SOME Bashing of SOME Human Beings (Non-Male? Non-Adult?) is supposedly part of “The” “Bad/Evil/Non-Ideal”. For example:

Old-English Literalists get many things wrong which is why they not only think Genocide is actually “there” in the OT but they also in part affirm that Genocide ((the Genocide they mistakenly think they see there)) as Good/Lovely/The-Ideal.

Others insist “But not the Women and Children because THAT would be BAD but the Adult Men can be Brutally-Bashed / War / Judgment and so on because THAT is Good/Lovely/Beautiful/The-Ideal”.

Others try to FICTIONALIZE EVERY BIT OF OT VIOLENCE or at least “the really, really bad parts” and they too are obviously in the A1A2 and B1B2 groups as well.

Others insist that Brutal Bashing / Judgment/War etc. is part of “The” “Good/Beautiful/Lovely/The-Ideal” but “Not If” we find it in “Genocide”. Notice that this too reduces to the horrifical moral maps of the A1A2 and B1B2 groups as well. Some Christians ((and most narratives of Non-Theistic Critics)) construct a metaphysic as if God draws lines at Babies or at Women or at Non-Combatants or at Nations or at Tribes rather than at All Human Beings All The Time in All Possible (Adamic) Worlds.

So, again that Third-Option to escape those Key Error of Idolatry vis-à-vis Christ/Cross and to achieve Coherence/Lucidity/Moral Closure:

(C1) We simply AGREE with Scripture and define Sinai and All Judgement in the OT ((…all vectors short of Christ…)) as the Ministry of Death, as that which Lacks the Means to Moral Excellence, lacks the Ends of Moral Excellence, lacks therefore The Good/Whole, lacks the Beautiful, lacks the Lovely, lacks the Ideal — as that which is [Bracketed] within [Privation] which is to say that which is occurring within the Ontological [Margins] of what just is [Evil] — as that which houses [Vectors] and in all possible permutations all available vectors come up short — as that which houses various [Contours] which God in fact [Hates].  And so then pushing that through we have this: Once the O.T. and N.T. both affirmed ((and they both did/do)) that Sinai’s 600++ Commands contain contours that God Hates we formally ((metaphysically)) lost all justification for lingering back in the Maps of A1/A2 and B1/B2.

The confusion comes because we believe something like this: “More and More and More Really Good Laws can in principle possibly mean/actualize the Resolution of Evil”.  The Church makes the same error there as the Un-Churched and tries to define “Sinai” as convertible with/for  “Christ/Cross/All-Sufficiency Himself Poured Out” when in fact Sinai is what God in part Hates. Recall that God is under no illusions that our Physical Bodies somehow Begin/End our Life and our Narrative. Recall that God is not a Physicalist. Recall that God is not a Legalist. Instead God is the Ultimate Realist ((C.S. Lewis?)). Hence God Comes In Christ reconciling the world to Himself. The OT looks at Sinai’s Floor and Ceiling and Margins and speaks of a Far-Better Up Ahead Yet To Come:

“In the OT, because Christ had not yet entered history to take the penalty of sin for us, every man bore the full penalty himself. Thus, whenever you see an OT crime punished with death, that’s God’s blunt way of telling us it’s a mortal sin. It is the archetype of moral teaching. Without the OT’s clear portrayal of sin and its effects, it is way too easy to forget why we need a savior and what He saves us from.” ((from from Twitter’s @LunacyandClaret))

If one tries to make the argument that Sinai’s 600++ Commands and that whole landscape is the Means/Ends/Archetype of Moral Excellence, one contradicts scripture because Scripture tells us it isn’t. We cannot get there without a wider lens. Our shifting Normative margins are helpful and informative but they can never take the place of our Ontology – they can never be definitive. The error some make is conflating Sinai for God’s Eternal Ideal ((Best/Ideal)). Yet Scripture defines Life/Wholeness as from Another Source ((All Sufficiency Himself Poured Out)) while Sinai sums to an Ontology of Restraining Death not of Giving-Life. Scripture also tells us that God hates various parts of Sinai ((…and, sure, once THAT cat is out of the bag all definitions swarm against the oh-so-many anti-intellectual straw-men of Sinai-Full-Stop….)). Regarding Sinai, well there is a whole swath of metaphysical real estate that can be written about what Sinai IS and ISN’T and WHY God Hates parts of it and WHY that “Ministry of Death” lands as that which “Restrains Death” rather than “Gives-Life” and WHY that which can only Restrain Death never can Give-Life.

Off-Topic Digression: Notice that Adam’s need to drink the cup of All-Sufficiency is the same regardless of his choice among Eden’s Two Possible Worlds ((Eternal Life / Privation)). The “Edenic” was not yet Eternal Life and the radical change in ontological status to move FROM Eden INTO Eternal Life requires the SAME “Means” of [Incarnation] and all of the language of Pour||Drink amid God||Man. That is why we find the SAME categories of radical change in ontological status as we move FROM Eden INTO Privation and/or also as we move FROM Eden INTO Eternal Life and/or as we move FROM Privation INTO Eternal Life – But that’s all a different discussion ((see Duns Scotus perhaps)). End brief off-topic digression.

Key Question on Christ:

Is/Was Christ necessary to avoid the equivalent “Bad Outcomes” of Death and Destruction with respect to Judgements and the Ends of all Privations and the Ends of Days and the Ends of Worlds and the Ends of All Worlds – and so on – as we discuss the OT and possible Genocide?

Genocide again enters this essay and again we recall that Old English Literalists believe Genocide is found in the texts of the OT but most do not find it there, while others simply reduce it all to Fiction ((…Joshua is a fiction invented way back then by local Israel/Canaan factions in order to consolidate both Narrative and Influence in their favor way back then, and so on)). All of which is again to say Genocide did not happen but in THAT example it is for THAT reason, and so on. Meanwhile others find the historicity valid and aim for an exegeses informed both by history and by forensics focusing on linguistic/writing tools.  Regardless, while most agree Genocide did not happen, the goal HERE is NOT to defend that conclusion/exegesis ((…see links at the end of essay for some items that may help with that topic…)).

Rather, the goal HERE is to press the “Okay What IF Genocide” and then point out a few key problems with Moral Metrics there. First, as already alluded to, if one is going to insist that SOME Brutal Bashing / Judgment/War etc. is part of or can be part of “The” “Good/Beautiful/Lovely/The-Ideal” but “Not If” we find it in “Genocide” then one is going to insist on a Moral Map which itself also reduces to the horrifical moral maps of the A1A2 and B1B2 groups. Again some Christians ((and most narratives of Non-Theistic Critics)) construct a metaphysic as if God draws lines at Babies or at Women or at Non-Combatants or at Nations or at Tribes rather than at All Human Beings All The Time in All Possible (Adamic) Worlds.

Ending Evil:

Evil is a Deficiency of Being. A Hollow. The only thing that can fill a hollow void of Being is Being Itself. So too in Eden should Man find Eternal Life he will find that in his own Self there is but (Non-Culpable) Need and the only thing that can eternally fill that Self-Insufficiency (Need) is All-Sufficiency – and so on, and so on in All Possible (Adamic) Worlds. All Metaphysics but Christianity get those Key Metaphysical Truths wrong/muddied up. Hence Ending Evil/Death can only come into focus vis-à-vis All-Sufficiency’s Own Self-Outpouring as the ONLY possible mode by which “Being Itself” can “Pour into” the “Vacuum/Hollow” that is “Privation” and recall that “Privation” is another term for “The Deficiency Of Being”.

WHAT are we supposed to be distinguishing here regarding Christ? Where does Sinai End and Christ Begin? Is Christ mere Redundancy? Is Christ the last 5% to finish the deal? The Christian Metaphysic DOES posit an ontological End of Privation. But what are we actually distinguishing?

Genocide becomes a snowball effect regarding our own Moral Tolerance because it STARTS with errors mentioned earlier and then snowballs. In that Snowball we start with SOME version of A1/A2 and B1/B2 finding SOME version of SOME Bashing of SOME Human Beings as SOMEHOW within “The” “Good/Beautiful/Whole/The-Ideal”. Meanwhile, contrary to the Snowball, God/Scripture defines every bit of it as the Metaphysic of Man in Privation and all the necessary floors/ceilings thereof.

The Snowball example that we typically see is a “False Dichotomy” where part of that Moral Tolerance for SOME etc. ((…which is error….)) is pitted against or juxtaposed up against some OTHER form of Privation/Evil and, then, the person who juxtaposes those two items  stomp their feet “As If” the Moral Fault is located where it is not and “As If” their OWN Moral Map is NOT fatally found in A1/A2/B1/B2.

Example Of Snowball:

“If genocide is always wrong and if rape is always wrong then why is one-time genocide given a pass?”

Problem 1: Notice the aforementioned approval of SOME brutal-bashing as “The” “Good/Beautiful/Lovely/The-Ideal” that was required in one of the earlier errors just to get to the point of even positing that (false) dichotomy. So the evolving Snowball is already immoral on its own premises — well not on its OWN premises but according to God/Scripture which finds ALL ((…not just SOME…)) Bashing beneath the Umbrella of “Privation”.

Problem 2: From there there’s the obvious Category problem in which God does in fact Judge All Lives and All Sexes and All Ages and All Cities and All Nations and All Worlds. As in — Literally. God is NOT a Physicalist NOR a Legalist BUT God is the Ultimate Realist. As in — Literally.

Problem 3: Notice in both 1 and 2 that God in Motion vis-à-vis Judgment against “A Man” or “A Family” or “A Nation” or “Israel” or “Canaan” or “World” or “Universe” ALL entail ALL the SAME metrics.

Problem 4: How is any of THAT in the same Ontic Category as Rape?

Most realize that Genocide is not “there” but the question is moot because (1) AT MOST we find God in Motion vis-à-vis Judgment against “A Man” or “A Family” or “A Nation” or “Israel” or “Canaan” or “World” or “Universe” and because (2) those ALL entail ALL the SAME metrics and because (3) to even make the complaint in the first place means one has already moved into the Immoral by embracing Brutal-Bashing of SOME Human Beings as The-Good ((see previous discussions)) and because (4) one is left thereby with a disjointed set of ontological metrics — almost akin to the Fundamental Indifference/Capricious/Chaos found in the Ultimate Meaning-Makers of various brands of Non-Theism/Atheism, and because (5) one’s own maps make Christ Redundant and/or Unnecessary for SOME Human Beings.

Briefly: See the section inside of https://metachristianity.com/god-sending-lying-spirits-god-n-sending-evil-spirits-n-abraham-n-isaac/ which begins with” GENOCIDE? AMALEKITES? CANAANITES? — for a brief look at why Genocide criteria are NOT met.

Briefly: See “Part 4: Moral Dilemmas And No Good Options” at https://metachristianity.com/god-sending-lying-spirits-god-n-sending-evil-spirits-n-abraham-n-isaac/

Briefly: See the section within https://metachristianity.com/divine-command-theory-collapses-into-a-metaphysical-absurdity/ which begins with the bolded Back To The Moral Dilemma and continues a few paragraphs and does not “end” until the next (unrelated) “formal” section which begins with the bolded Meta-Christianity 101, day 1, lesson 1: God’s Will from A to Z

Before moving into Part 2 and Part 3 a brief reminder of four key errors:

(A1) We Approve of All Judgement/Etc. in the OT as The Beautiful/Good/Whole/The-Ideal.

(A2) We say OT Sinai/Law/Judgment is The Good/Lovely/Whole/The Ideal ((hence we are equating it to Christ/Cross)).

(B1) We Approve of SOME Judgment in the OT as The Beautiful/Good/Whole/Ideal AND ALSO we find SOME Judgement as The Bad/Evil/Non-Ideal.

(B2) We say we don’t need Law/Sinai/Judgement AT ALL / EVER ((hence we obviously don’t need Christ/Cross either)).

None of those are coherent. All expunge Christ. All define Brutally Bashing and/or War/Etc. of SOME Human Beings as “The” “Good/Beautiful/Lovely/The-Ideal”. All make Christ/Cross either Unnecessary or else Redundant for SOME Human Beings. In other words, they all sum to Idolatry. They DISAGREE with God Who does not draw lines at Babies or at Women or at Non-Combatants but rather He draws them at All Human Beings All The Time in All Possible (Adamic) Worlds. NONE of it is “Good” and therein ((discussed elsewhere)) none of it is actually condoned within the Christian Metaphysic.

—Part 2 of 3—

Justified ≠ Good Justified War ≠ Good. In absolute terms. At least in the Christian Metaphysic.

No one Hopes for MORE or Wants MORE “Justified War/Justified Killing/Etc.” WHY? Because Justified ≠ Good/Lovely. One can agree with Scripture’s definitions of War and Sinai as Privation and therefore ipso facto deficient in Good and therein ‘Evil’ ((Evil as Privation vis-à-vis the Deficiency of Good/Being)). It’s not like we “hope” for “more” “Justified War” merely because it’s Justified ((…obviously Non-Theism provides no ontic terminus for such closure…)).

Most don’t believe O.T. Genocide happened and so the Critic is eventually forced to resort to criticizing some version of Modernity’s sense of Justified War. The Christian narrative defines all of that as Privation (Lack/Deficiency) including Justified War. Notice in all wars we observe that “vulnerable non-combatants” are killed and so the premise that killing vulnerable non-combatants is evil reduces to the simple premise that all war is evil even if justified. So far so good. Scripture defines ALL Vectors “within” Privation as Evil – and we don’t like that – because hubris wants to rank and layer – but Privation just is Non-Whole, Non-Ideal, “The-Good-Minus-Something” ((…that is why Sinai/Law never can be the “Means” to Moral Excellence nor the “Ends” that are Moral Excellence…)).

It’s Not The War It’s The Suffering” again leaves us off base as per the following:

So, for that hypothetical we take it one step up to a justified war but this time with some sort of ((for the sake of discussion)) “perfect and painless targeting” so that there is a hypothetically ‘Painless-War’ and we ask what we find there. Well? Well we find yet again that THAT TOO is still Evil as it is necessarily still stuck beneath the Ceiling of the Pains of Privation ((see earlier discussions)). STILL STUCK. One is STILL with those TWO Umbrellas described at the start and so one is STILL somewhere amid A1/A2/B1/B2.

And, so, GM’s Quote on Sinai/Law vs. Condone vs. Tolerate is helpful there/here— see attached picture here:

Quote:

“This is part of the problem of this whole conversation. One half is to accurately describe what was going on in the Old Testament…. and one is the moral vision of the Old Testament as a whole. It’s absolutely vital to understand that the Mosaic law was not God’s ideal, it was God working with a certain people group in a certain cultural context to fulfill the Abrahamic covenant of bringing a certain kind of blessing to the world (a savior and kingdom of God). That the law was not God’s ideal is apparent in the narrative of the development of the law, God explicitly saying so through Jeremiah and Jesus himself saying that they were granted laws, not because they are good in of themselves, but were accommodations to the hardness of their hearts, and asking more of them would have been futile. And so on. The perfectly egalitarian human relationships of Genesis 2 is the ideal moral paradigm of the Old Testament….. ……the overarching argument involves the necessity to point out that none of this is representative of God’s ideal. You make a huge jump from tolerance to endorsement from God’s perspective that doesn’t take into account the moral vision of the biblical narrative……. the job of the critic is to demonstrate the premise of God’s future-oriented, creation repairing agenda as a falsehood, and that the Sinai covenant represents His ideal for all mankind, forever. Until the critic does that, trying to force “endorse” into the key hole of temporary, forward looking tolerance [of things we’re told He hates] is dialectical wishful thinking……”

End quote (by GM).

Once again — from Genesis to Revelation — the Metaphysic is Evil as Privation — and therein no one Hopes/Wants for More “Justified War/Killing/Etc.” WHY? Because Justified ≠ Good/Lovely.

It’s all Lacking because all Permutations/Combinations of Privation are Lacking. All available vectors deliver Moral Lack.

Given THAT Christian fact-set ((Justified is NOT Beautiful/Good/Etc.)), we find the following too often being said about someone:

“Bad Event X happened and So-&-So actually believes X is a GOOD outcome…how terrible of So-&-So to think X is “Good”!”

To say that about So-&-So when So-&-So believes Scripture ((and therefore rejects the aforementioned A1/A2/B1/B2)) is to speak something untrue about So-&-So. Because AT MOST what So-&So would/could say is that X is the result of a TERRIBLE situation with TERRIBLE OPTIONS. To not include all of the above when speaking of So-&-So one would either be Lying and/or 2. Straw-manning and/or Uninformed.

Some dishonest Non-Theists ((and at times Christians/others)) pretend with “But I just don’t “get it”….” when it comes to those hard ontological distinctions between Justified, Legal, Good, Lovely, Non-Ideal, Ideal, and so on. Perhaps because they don’t believe in the existence of those full-on ontological distinctions and so reject Christianity and if so that’s fine because then perhaps Cosmic Indifference is their only Currency — perhaps because Unintelligible Chaos and the Finally Illusory Self is their Final Terminus for all possible semantic intent. And so on. BUT informed folks CAN do better because of the following:

Informed folks CAN weight “Privation” and “Logical Necessity” and so on into the entire semantic body of all things Old Testament and/or Evil and/or Justified War ((Etc./Etc.)) as Justified ≠ Good/Beautiful/Whole. In God’s Economy the terms {Evil-Should-Not-Be} & {Could-Have-Been-Otherwise} are true broadly speaking regarding the pains of Privation and NOTICE THE RESULT: Justified War Ought Not Have Been / Need Not Have Been and “Event X” is NOT “Good” but ONLY a Logically Necessary TERRIBLE situation with Logically Necessary TERRIBLE OPTIONS which have Logically Necessary Floors and Ceilings regarding Yesterday, Life, Death, Tomorrow, and how it relates to the Perfection of our Being vis-à-vis Man’s True Good, Man’s Final Felicity.

That is in part why at every Evil witness we witness Vectors Short of Christ and we are right to Intuit/Say {Need-Not-Have-Been} & {Evil-Should-Not-Be} & {Could-Have-Been-Otherwise} & {Better Is Man Christ} and so on. The Two Possible Worlds streaming out of Eden ((Eternal Life & Privation)) are not the topic of this thread but in either case the “Means” to get “out” of either Eden or Privation are the SAME and the “Ends” of Eternal Life viz-a-vis the Perfection of Being ((Man’s Being in the sense of Creaturely Perfection)) are the SAME, although that’s a different topic. All of this is in part why Divine Command Theory or “DCT” or “Divine Command Theory” collapses into a logical absurdity as we track its own endpoints across Logical Impossibility and The Good and Reason’s Obligation and Reason’s final terminus and reality’s irreducible or concrete furniture vis-à-vis the Trinitarian Life. As per https://metachristianity.com/slavery-in-the-christian-metanarrative-is-defined-as-a-swath-of-privations-many-pains/

—Part 3 of 3—

((A)) Killing X Is Morally Wrong

((B)) Man Killing X Is Morally Wrong

((C)) God Killing X Is Morally Wrong

A = B = C if and only if conditions of evil persist through all three actualities. But a problem for “A = B = C” arrives:

[Death] is the # 1 Killer in the World.

Therefore Eternal Life — *and* *nothing* *less* — is the # 1 Dissolution of our # 1 Problem.

In fact — BUT FOR Eternal Life there is no Ontic Resolution ((Closure)) of the # 1 Killer in the World.

UN-Natural:

“Death is strange and unnatural. We desire permanence, as we should. But here, what should last doesn’t. People we know leave. The shock of it tells us that this shouldn’t be the norm but it is for now. But there is coming a day when even death will die…” ((from https://twitter.com/JackieHillPerry/status/1171595500254093312?s=20))

But for eternal life all termini fail to find closure. We begin to see one more reason how Atheism fails to justify Moral Objectivism as all available termini of all available possibilities/permutations begin and end outside of Life/Mind/Reason/Love and so on. More generally we find another reason why it is that “Taking Life” is necessarily wrong for ANY Contingent Being – which is simply because that agent cannot Fully Fund anything akin to The End Of Death Itself nor can that agent Fully Fund anything akin to Eternal Life.

Question: When Life is STOLEN/TAKEN what, exactly, is stolen/taken? What is the “Loss”? What is the “Harm”? If God cures one of cancer today and then that same person dies of “Natural” ((it’s actually quite UN-natural)) “Causes” in ten years, what was Gained/Lost?

To know what is lost, what is gained, and so on we must know something about “From where does the Right To Life come?” What is it about “Human Life” that has weight in our ontology? Recall that the larger question of whether or not A = B = C ? given ((A)) Killing X Is Morally Wrong and ((B)) Man Killing X Is Morally Wrong and ((C)) God Killing X Is Morally Wrong.  As it turns out A = B = C if and only if conditions of evil persist through all three actualities. Where is there a Right To Life? The following quote/excerpt helps focus the lens:

Begin Quote:

Ben ((Non-Theist)) asked this: “How do you get from points #1-5 to concluding that “the capacity for future autonomous activity is then the criterion of the possession of a right to life”?

Here’s the closest Ben comes to a criterion of personhood. He repeated it a couple of times. Here’s the first rendition: “I’m hesitant to say it is a human being, though, because typically by that term we mean a human which has been born, and/or which possesses a mind.”

Like the other paragraphs from which I gleaned what I called “Bens List”, this is two parts red herring and one part mistake. Let’s look… for starters we should note that it is not the case that this is what we mean. If it were what **we mean, then **we wouldn’t be arguing.

Also, being born or unborn is a red herring. Here’s a goofy thought experiment to illustrate the point:

Suppose that in addition to humans, there were two other intelligent species on the planet. One, the Roomans, are marsupials. Rooman joeys are born very quickly after fertilization occurs. When born the joey looks/acts like a grub/maggot & latches itself onto its mother’s teat in her pouch where it continues to develop for a good long time, eventually poking its head out of the pouch at intervals to say “Hi” & then disappearing again.

The second non-human species are called the Titans, after the Greek legends. Like the Titans of legend, titan children stay in their mother’s womb (though not because their father refuses to let them out) until they are fully formed, able to speak, and make moral choices. Some titan fetuses even enter into contracts in utero.

Given current moral sensibilities, there would be significant debate about whether newborn rooman joeys have a right to life, and no debate at all about whether late stage titan fetuses have rights. Of course, pro-life advocates would support the right to life for all at all stages of development. But clearly, the mere fact of birth would have no bearing in any case.

So it is the possession of a mind that seems crucial here. But there are plenty of creatures that have minds, but that have no right to life (or to anything else for that matter). The common housefly comes to mind. Chickens also. So it is not just the presence of a mind that matters either.

Now, at this point, we could note that there is nothing left to Ben’s criteria. But let us be charitable. Let us suppose that Ben was thinking of a creature with a certain *kind* of mind. One that has a certain degree of complexity such that it can have moral rights. I had glossed that earlier by saying that we are looking for *autonomy*. I see no reason not to continue with that gloss. But the problem, as noted in earlier posts, is that the mere **presence of autonomy isn’t enough. Anesthetized people do not exhibit autonomy, but it is still murder to deliberately kill them without cause.

So what is it that allows us to say of unconscious people that, although we have no evidence of current autonomy, they still count? Now, if the heavens opened and the voice of God spoke telling me that a 2×4 is autonomous, I’d think twice about laying into it with my Skill-saw. But barring a divine revelation, there are really only two candidates I can use to tell me that a mind is present even though the being in question is unconscious and exhibits no signs of autonomy:

#1 They used to exhibit autonomy in the past

#2 Under normal conditions, it is highly likely that they will exhibit autonomy in the future.

But item #1 won’t work as a criterion for the simple reason that is true of corpses.

And item #1, even if it was of any value (which it isn’t) certainly could not work by itself. You’d still need item #2. The reason is that item #1 does not apply to one-year olds (for example). But no one wants to say that one-year olds have no right to life. If they don’t have a right to life then there is no such thing as a right to anything.

So it must be item #2 that allows us to extend the rights of autonomy to the unconscious. And it is also quite obvious that that is how we extend the rights of autonomy to one-year olds as well.

But item #2, as already noted, applies to unborn humans at all stages of development, but not to corpses, ununited sperm-egg pairs, still living detached human body parts, chickens and so on.

END QUOTE/EXCERPT ((…from the comment section of https://str.typepad.com/weblog/2012/11/the-moral-pro-life-case.html))

That apparent logical necessity then runs into the following apparent logical necessity:

It’s Logically necessary that ALL people/bodies/souls are Harvested by “Being Itself”/God because EVERY Body/Soul/Life is by logical necessity going to traverse the end of itself AND because again by logical necessity God or Being Itself is the One Who alone contains and brackets that “traversal”.  It can’t “not be” and that is because our own very being itself just does have its actuality/concrete-ontology in and from and by God / Being Itself. There is (necessarily) no such thing as a Person or Man or Woman or Child who does NOT come to the End of his/her own self/being with respect to Being, Time, & Circumstance and, there, traverse that specific boundary.

Death is a Problem on all fronts. What is different in the Old Testament regarding Ends & Death? Just as now so too we find that Sinai/Law/Commands are not “An End” nor “Ends” and do not bring us to Scripture’s point of closure. The Christian Metaphysic does posit an ontological End to “Man In Privation” but notice that God never Ends Life ((the body’s Deaths isn’t our End)). WHAT then are we actually “distinguishing” here when we speak of “Ending Life” and “Wrong” and “It’s Wrong To Take Life”? Where is the Evil/Wrong there? What can be Taken? What can be Given? Recall from the excerpt on the Right To Life “….#2 Under normal conditions, it is highly likely that they will exhibit autonomy in the future….”

Now Remove Pain: Recall the earlier hypothetical of the Painless War in which millions are killed and recall that that is STILL stuck beneath the Ceiling of Privation’s Pains. Also recall from the excerpt on the Right To Life “….#2 Under normal conditions, it is highly likely that they will exhibit autonomy in the future….” The esoteric contours of God, Omni, Concurrentism, Death, Life, Being, Harvest, and Continuity may converge as briefly described in, “Wasn’t There Pain And Suffering In Egypt’s First Born?” at https://metachristianity.com/wasnt-there-pain-suffering-in-egypts-first-born/

**IF we are assuming Non-Universalism THEN what are we distinguishing there between “War” and “Heaven/Hell” when it comes to first demanding and at last finding Closure/Coherence/Good?

**IF we are assuming Universalism THEN what are we distinguishing there between “War” and “Heaven/Hell” when it comes to first demanding and at last finding Closure/Coherence/Good?

**IF we are assuming Conditional Immortality THEN what are we distinguishing there between “War” and “Heaven/Hell” when it comes to first demanding and at last finding Closure/Coherence/Good?

[Death] is the #1 Killer in the World. Therefore Eternal Life — *and* *nothing* *less* — is the #1 Dissolution of our #1 Problem. IN FACT — BUT FOR Eternal Life there is no Ontic Resolution ((Closure)) of the #1 Killer in the World.

“Death is strange/unnatural. We desire permanence & we should. What should last doesn’t. People we know leave. This isn’t the Norm. There is coming a Day when even Death will die.”

BUT FOR Eternal Life there is no Ontic Resolution ((Closure)) of the #1 Killer in the World.

End.

—Overlapping Segues—

Divine Command Theory Collapses Into A Metaphysical Absurdity | Meta Christianity

Jesus Loves Canaanites: Biblical Genocide in the Light of Moral Intuition —by Randal Rauser https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Loves-Canaanites-Biblical-Intuition/dp/1775046249

Love, Reason, Reality, And The Golden Thread Of Reciprocity | Meta Christianity

Slavery In The Christian Metanarrative Is Defined As A Swath Of Privations Many Pains Therefore The Christian Metanarrative Cannot Have A Pro Slavery Verse Much Less A Pro Slavery Any Thing | Meta Christianity

Objective And Irreducible Evil Exists Therefore Objective and Irreducible Good Exists Therefore God Exists | Meta Christianity

God Sending Lying And Evil Spirits? Abraham And Isaac? Cyrus And Isaiah 45:7? The Greater Good Fallacy? | Meta Christianity

Saying “Some Say The Bible Condones Slavery/Racism” *vs* Saying “I Say The Bible Condones Slavery/Racism” https://randalrauser.com/2019/11/blame-the-victim-conservative-christianity-and-a-culture-of-shaming-women/#comment-4706516949  *NOTE that this specific link is copy/pasted a few paragraphs down from here. It is from a discussion about a common pattern of some who are forever first asserting “The Bible Condones Slavery” and then when pushed on details and consistency they pull back to “The Bible Says Such & Such” and when pushed on details and consistency they pull back to “Well but SOME SAY it say….” And so on.

ALSO NOTE: Some of the hyperlinks there and in a few other places in the content here will go to STR’s ((https://www.str.org/)) old format an read as “error” but they are being left in as “place-holders” because the threads are still in disqus format and perhaps when time permits they will be updated. Many of those specific links for that specific comment ((…Saying “Some Say The Bible Condones Slavery/Racism” *vs*…)) are from the following:

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